The Boss has passed.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

All of which is nice and has a lot of truth to it but has little to do with the conversation that you originally quoted from. I hardly "blamed" george for the detoriation of the free world as you imply. But to ignore the negative aspects of his legacy, such as the continuing competitive imbalance in baseball which he played a big hand in, is myopic. My staement that because of competitive balance in the NFL, virtually every team can become a powerful team is still ture and is not true in baseball. Social factors aside would you agree that if you bought the Minnesota Vikings you would have a better chance of winning and establishing a championship contender than if you bought the Minnesota Twins? Or Miami Dolphins vs FL marlins? Or Seattle Seahawks vs. Seattle mariners?

I dont disagree with your premise for the most part but you choose some examples that defeat your point. The Twins won the world series in 1991. When was the last time the Vikes won a championship? The Marlins, although being an existence for less than 20 years, have won two titles in that time. How many have the dolphins won in that time?

The Twins have been in the playoffs consistently over the last decade. How about the vikes? As you know, the dolphins have not been very good while the marlins occasionally field a strong team or at least strong enough to win two titles since 1997.

The competitive balance portion of what you say is true for the most part but is that really the big reason why baseball isnt the number 1 sport any longer as you imply in your post?

It is easier to share money in the NFL because there is much more money to share. TV dollars for baseball arent there and the competitive balance isnt going to make much difference.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I dont disagree with your premise for the most part but you choose some examples that defeat your point. The Twins won the world series in 1991. When was the last time the Vikes won a championship? The Marlins, although being an existence for less than 20 years, have won two titles in that time. How many have the dolphins won in that time?

The Twins have been in the playoffs consistently over the last decade. How about the vikes? As you know, the dolphins have not been very good while the marlins occasionally field a strong team or at least strong enough to win two titles since 1997.

The competitive balance portion of what you say is true for the most part but is that really the big reason why baseball isnt the number 1 sport any longer as you imply in your post?

It is easier to share money in the NFL because there is much more money to share. TV dollars for baseball arent there and the competitive balance isnt going to make much difference.

no no no

chuck doesn't like the yankees , george , or yankee fans , he has a bias in theses matter if you don't already know

george was good for the game on whole , were the problems , yes , but the total package was a positive

[slotdirt]

The Marlins bought two championships and in both cases had to immediately auction off all assets in order to make payroll the next season. They've hardly been competitive otherwise.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

The Marlins bought two championships and in both cases had to immediately auction off all assets in order to make payroll the next season. They've hardly been competitive otherwise.

the atlanta braves made the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess, if that is not an example of how a mid market team can't compete you guys are hopless

the small teams have it tough , but that was the case long before george came into the picture

[slotdirt]

On what planet is Atlanta mid-market? Just curious.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

the atlanta braves made the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess, if that is not an example of how a mid market team can't compete you guys are hopless

the small teams have it tough , but that was the case long before george came into the picture

Atlanta is freaking HUGE. How could they be a mid market team?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Atlanta is freaking HUGE. How could they be a mid market team?

Yeah, but I don't think the owner had that much money?

[slotdirt]

Atlanta might have crappy pro sports fans (like NYC has crappy college sports fans), but it's the ninth biggest MSA and growing more and more every year. Not exatly mid-market. If that is the case, Boston is mid-market, as are Detroit, DC-Baltimore, and virtually every other metropolitan area that isn't New York, Chicago, or LA.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

the atlanta braves made the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess, if that is not an example of how a mid market team can't compete you guys are hopless

the small teams have it tough , but that was the case long before george came into the picture

They had a freakin superstation funding the team.

Let me explain it for you in simpler terms. If Scuds took over the Yankees and used his insane logic in putting a team together, they would still be competitive because they can just eat bad decisions. At least 1/2 of the teams in MLB would be crippled for years by one bad, Yankee-like contract.

The Red Sox are a lesser example but they too have the ability to pay way over market but they have usually not gone as far as NY, though the pitching signings they have made fairly recently are looking a little shaky (Dice K, Lackey, reupping Beckett).

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They had a freakin superstation funding the team.

Let me explain it for you in simpler terms. If Scuds took over the Yankees and used his insane logic in putting a team together, they would still be competitive because they can just eat bad decisions. At least 1/2 of the teams in MLB would be crippled for years by one bad, Yankee-like contract.

The Red Sox are a lesser example but they too have the ability to pay way over market but they have usually not gone as far as NY, though the pitching signings they have made fairly recently are looking a little shaky (Dice K, Lackey, reupping Beckett).

that was the case in the 20's and 30's , etc etc etc , it don't mean george made the game worse

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

no no no

chuck doesn't like the yankees , george , or yankee fans , he has a bias in theses matter if you don't already know

george was good for the game on whole , were the problems , yes , but the total package was a positive

What have I said that wasn't true?

Let me ask you a question. If George didn't buy the yankees do you think baseball would be in worse shape? Since I already know your answer, Why?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What have I said that wasn't true?

Let me ask you a question. If George didn't buy the yankees do you think baseball would be in worse shape? Since I already know your answer, Why?

yes , cbs would have continued on dragging the most valuable franchise in sports down for the next few years and the fact is like it or not when the yankees are on people watch baseball

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

yes , cbs would have continued on dragging the most valuable franchise in sports down for the next few years and the fact is like it or not when the yankees are on people watch baseball

You didnt answer the question. What if CBS sold to a different, less bombastic owner? Say they sold to John henry (the red sox owner not the horse)?

Yeah those Yankee/Royal and Yankee/Indian games are must see tv.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You didnt answer the question. What if CBS sold to a different, less bombastic owner? Say they sold to John henry (the red sox owner not the horse)?

Yeah those Yankee/Royal and Yankee/Indian games are must see tv.

when did the small teams have a chance over the yankees , dodgers etc etc in any given era of baseball ??? the orioles and red sox beat up on the yanks in the 60's and early 70's , that was it

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

when did the small teams have a chance over the yankees , dodgers etc etc in any given era of baseball ??? the orioles and red sox beat up on the yanks in the 60's and early 70's , that was it

There were no small market teams for much of that period.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I dont disagree with your premise for the most

It is easier to share money in the NFL because there is much more money to share. TV dollars for baseball arent there and the competitive balance isnt going to make much difference.

Actually each MLB team receives at least $80 million from TV deals and radio rights. This was big news when the Marlins were asked where did their money go when they refused to sign Dan Uggla this season.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Actually each MLB team receives at least $80 million from TV deals and radio rights. This was big news when the Marlins were asked where did their money go when they refused to sign Dan Uggla this season.

MLB teams each get 30 million dollars from the central fund (40 mill -10 mill for pensions,etc). Most MLB will then make an additional 15 million and up on local tv deals (with teams like the Yankees being the exception with their own network).

The other 35 million that you are talking about comes from revenue sharing from teams like the Yankees and goes to the bottom ten teams in the league.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

MLB teams each get 30 million dollars from the central fund (40 mill -10 mill for pensions,etc). Most MLB will then make an additional 15 million and up on local tv deals (with teams like the Yankees being the exception with their own network).

The other 35 million that you are talking about comes from revenue sharing from teams like the Yankees and goes to the bottom ten teams in the league.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/25/comm...sbiz/index.htm

. Baseball will finish this year with just over $6 billion in revenue, according to Bob DuPuy, Major League Baseball's president and chief operating officer.

To put that into context, that puts baseball right on the heels of the more than $6 billion in revenue reported by the National Football League in 2006.

Yes, baseball has a lot more games from which to generate sales than the NFL, but that has always been the case. Simply put, baseball has done a much better job in the past few years of boosting its revenue beyond traditional sources, i.e. ticket sales and television broadcasting.

Baseball's sales have increased 50 percent from 2004 and have doubled since 2000. The NFL's sales grew at roughly half of baseball's pace during the same time period.

DuPuy told me the level of growth this year surprised even him and Commissioner Bud Selig. He attributed the gains to more competitive balance in the game, which has helped improve attendance for teams in smaller markets such as the National League champion Colorado Rockies and Milwaukee Brewers, which was in the race for a division title up until the final week of the season.
The growth of the online ticket resale market has also spurred more season ticket sales, DuPuy said. It also helped cut down on the number of no-shows, which increase sales at the concession stands. That's one of the reasons that the MLB signed a deal with eBay (Charts, Fortune 500) unit StubHub, which lets people buy and sell tickets, in August.

Online ticket sales is the perfect example of why baseball revenue has grown so dramatically. The sport has been able to take advantage of several sources of revenue that could hardly be imagined as baseball was coming out of the 1994-95 strike.

The MLB.com Web site, satellite radio broadcasts, an out-of-market television game package and much better than expected international growth have all boosted sales..

[Storm Cadet]

I had many opportunities to meet Mr. Steinbrenner through the Olympics and USA Basketball. He was on our team charter heading to Barcelona in 92 for the Summer Olympics and he met each and every athlete on the flight, took pictures and signed autographs. He asked each athlete where they were from, what sport they are participating and how many Games this was for each! He was there to meet and greet the athletes each night after awards ceremonies! He was just as proud as the athletes on their medals! After the Games he also went to the White House for the post Olympic celebration that George Bush threw for us and again was great with all, posing for pictures and signing autographs.

With USA Basketball the Boss hosted us many times in his office and private box at Yankee Stadium prior to our overseas trips. He was always very gracious in his gifts to the staff and players. Thanks Mr. Steinbrenner for making NY, the USOC and The Yankees better! We will miss you in New York.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/25/comm...sbiz/index.htm

. Baseball will finish this year with just over $6 billion in revenue, according to Bob DuPuy, Major League Baseball's president and chief operating officer.

To put that into context, that puts baseball right on the heels of the more than $6 billion in revenue reported by the National Football League in 2006.

Yes, baseball has a lot more games from which to generate sales than the NFL, but that has always been the case. Simply put, baseball has done a much better job in the past few years of boosting its revenue beyond traditional sources, i.e. ticket sales and television broadcasting.

Baseball's sales have increased 50 percent from 2004 and have doubled since 2000. The NFL's sales grew at roughly half of baseball's pace during the same time period.

DuPuy told me the level of growth this year surprised even him and Commissioner Bud Selig. He attributed the gains to more competitive balance in the game, which has helped improve attendance for teams in smaller markets such as the National League champion Colorado Rockies and Milwaukee Brewers, which was in the race for a division title up until the final week of the season.
The growth of the online ticket resale market has also spurred more season ticket sales, DuPuy said. It also helped cut down on the number of no-shows, which increase sales at the concession stands. That's one of the reasons that the MLB signed a deal with eBay (Charts, Fortune 500) unit StubHub, which lets people buy and sell tickets, in August.

Online ticket sales is the perfect example of why baseball revenue has grown so dramatically. The sport has been able to take advantage of several sources of revenue that could hardly be imagined as baseball was coming out of the 1994-95 strike.

The MLB.com Web site, satellite radio broadcasts, an out-of-market television game package and much better than expected international growth have all boosted sales..

First of all, this is an editorial and the dollars that are being thrown around for "total rev" are being kicked around by the COO of MLB who might just have a little bit of an agenda...No? LOL. "competitive balance" benefits whom? It wouldnt be the commissioner's team would it?

As far as the NFL's total revenue, do you really think you or anyone else has an accurate guage of what they are really taking in? The fact is, the Player's association is going after the books pretty hard.

If anyone, you included, really thinks that Mlb's total revenue is equal to the NFL's revenue, there is a bridge in arizona to buy and a short bus to ride over it on.