What were the best stretch duels of all time?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Just days before Aaron Burr was to meet Alexander Hamilton in that famous duel, one of Hamilton's cronies called out Burr for another duel, no doubt to save his master's hide.

But Burr put down that goon (with a sword no less), too, before dispatching Hamilton.

Shirreffs pulled the same stunt this year by sending Zardana out to take on Rachel Alexandra at the Fair Grounds, with decidely much better results.

Burr was like the equivalent of a horse that wins a Grade 1 race on the turf over a mile and a half and then only 7 days later winning a Grade 1 on dirt at a flat mile. Both duels took place in Jersey, so to be fair, maybe he couldn't carry his track with him.

This is why Hamilton appears only on the $10 bill while Andrew Jackson (who was a disciple of the ostracized Burr) appears on the $20.

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i'm a hamilton fan, but not jackson....ol' aaron burr was quite the scoundrel. interesting bio's for sure!

hamiltons son died on the same spot of land as his father(well, technically the elder died in his bed, but u know what i mean), also in a duel. must have run in the family...

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm a hamilton fan, but not jackson....ol' aaron burr was quite the scoundrel. interesting bio's for sure!

hamiltons son died on the same spot of land as his father(well, technically the elder died in his bed, but u know what i mean), also in a duel. must have run in the family...

Jackson probably would have clobbered them all. In his most famous duel (some scumbag wouldn't pay up off on bet on a horse race, no less), he let his rival, who was a better shot, take the first shot on purpose. If he survived the blast he figured he'd be able to take his time with his own shot and have a better chance of sending his rival into early retirement. He was right.

Of course, he took one in the chest just inches from his heart, but apparently he was a good handicapper and won the photo.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Haskin's.....

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33495

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Jackson probably would have clobbered them all. In his most famous duel (some scumbag wouldn't pay up off on bet on a horse race, no less), he let his rival, who was a better shot, take the first shot on purpose. If he survived the blast he figured he'd be able to take his time with his own shot and have a better chance of sending his rival into early retirement. He was right.

Of course, he took one in the chest just inches from his heart, but apparently he was a good handicapper and won the photo.

i think he dueled with someone over his wife rachel....or maybe not. my main beef with the hero of new orleans was the defiance of the supreme court when he forced the native americans out of florida. but altho hamilton lost the duel, he was also a war hero. was one hell of a guy, self-made...oh, and would probably have made even bill clinton blush with his exploits.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think he dueled with someone over his wife rachel....or maybe not. my main beef with the hero of new orleans was the defiance of the supreme court when he forced the native americans out of florida. but altho hamilton lost the duel, he was also a war hero. was one hell of a guy, self-made...oh, and would probably have made even bill clinton blush with his exploits.

Hamilton was a phoney war hero. He use to carry George Washington's coat around and was made a General for it. Burr saw more action but was too aggressive and cocky for Washington's taste and so was constantly passed over for promotion. Probably an underlying reason why he had no problem throwing what was left of his career away to duel with Hamilton.

Burr was also responsible for getting Thomas Jefferson the Presidency in 1800. Of course, he nearly stole it for himself in the process, but Hamilton was able to stop it from happening. Yet another score to be settled in the duel.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Hamilton was a phoney war hero. He use to carry George Washington's coat around and was made a General for it. Burr saw more action but was too aggressive and cocky for Washington's taste and so was constantly passed over for promotion. Probably an underlying reason why he had no problem throwing what was left of his career away to duel with Hamilton.

Burr was also responsible for getting Thomas Jefferson the Presidency in 1800. Of course, he nearly stole it for himself in the process, but Hamilton was able to stop it from happening. Yet another score to be settled in the duel.

no, that wasn't it. he kept pestering washington to get into action, and was finally allowed to do that. he took a redoubt along with a few others. i read his bio a few years ago(by ron chernow, excellent book), and remember that..i just can't remember which battle it was. washington wanted to keep hamilton by his side, since he was a valuable aide. hamilton was sharp as a tack.
and from what i read, hamilton was why jefferson, and not burr, was elected president. they kept having ties, and hamilton used some influence to sway the vote jeffersons way. he and jefferson hated each other, but hamilton felt jefferson was the better choice of the two. of course, hamilton had already pretty much killed off the federalist party because of his continuous feuding with john adams. hamilton knew how to do many things, make enemies being one of them! i also recommend a book called' hamilton, jefferson and burr'-it's here somewhere.
burr went broke, damn near got charged with a lot of crimes after going on the run following the famous duel. tried to form his own country at one point. years later, he married a wealthy widow and then spent all her money. she took him to court over it....
that's why it cracks me up when people talk about bitter party politics these days. they need to read their history! just think, george bush and john kerry facing off across a green, seconds and a doctor waiting nearby...


oh, and speaking of war 'heroes'...jefferson running for his life in virginia...lol yeah, stick to writing there, thom!

[zippyneedsawin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCuJjhBBCSs


2002 Test


Carson Hallow and You both ran incredible races.

[Indian Charlie]

1985 Strub between Precisionist and Greinton, with the semi retarded Gate Dancer try to give his connections a heart attack.

Awesome race.

[Merlinsky]

Loved Haskin's list, very comprehensive. I enjoy this footage of the 2001 BCC because it's got the pre-race, race, post-race coverage of Tiznow and Sakhee with that segment about Cecilia Straub-Rubens that's just gonna make you blubber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adFhb...eature=related

[banter]

Listing the top stretch duels of all time would be beyond me, but citing a few incredible duels from the past few years would be readily do-able.

1) agree completely with the 2007 Rags To Riches - Curlin Belmont selection

2) agree as well with the 2004 Fountain of Youth match between Read The Footnotes - Second Of June

3) the 2005 Cornhusker stretch battle between Lord Of The Game - Silver Axe - Mambo Train - Habaneros

4) and with the 2007 Breeders' Cup Distaff (I really miss seeing the name of that race in the BC line-up) bout between Ginger Punch and Hystericalady

5) a tie between Medaglia D'Oro - Candy Ride in the 2003 Pacific Classic and Medaglia D'Oro - Pleasantly Perfect in the 2004 Dubai World Cup

Of course, similar great stretch contests have been waged in the past decade by runners such as Lava Man, Zenyatta, Perfect Drift, Evening Attire, and others, but I'm happy with my list as is.

[herkhorse]

That's the problem with politics today, not enough duels.



The Street Sense, AGS stretch duel was pretty good.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

That's the problem with politics today, not enough duels.



The Street Sense, AGS stretch duel was pretty good.

i especially enjoyed reading about the fight on the house floor-one rep took the other reps cane, and then beat him with it. and people got offended when dick cheney said fucl< off?! lol

and yes, ags/ss was a good one. another was the one between richard sharpe and another british officer in one of bernard cornwell's fine works. that guy can tell a good story.