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smartbid09 06-29-2010 06:46 PM

What were the best stretch duels of all time?
 
In my opinion the top 5 Stretch Duels of all time our:

(in no particular order)
1978 Belmont Stakes
Affirmed and Alydar in a stretch duel for the ages

1989 Preakness Stakes
Easy Goer and Sunday Silence in a stretch duel no one who sees will ever forget

1978 Jockey Club Gold Cup
Seattle Slew battles back against Exceller in one of his finest hours

2007 Belmont Stakes
Rags To Riches and Curlin - what a stretch run!!!

1996 Dubai World Cup
Soul of the Matter and Cigar in a real thriller







What are your Top 5?

The Indomitable DrugS 06-29-2010 06:53 PM

Top 3:

1.) Kickin N Screaming and Letherdoherthing

2.) Komodo and Hawk Mountain

3.) Jay's Rule and Lady Quick

Danzig 06-29-2010 06:54 PM

alexander hamilton vs aaron burr

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 06:55 PM

A Little Warm vs Miners Reserve



Commentator holding off Saint Liam is tops for me.

Kasept 06-29-2010 07:28 PM

Clock Stopper/Ghostzapper...


(Kickin N Screamin v. Letherdoherthing is a profound and inspired selection by DougS though... And of course Battaglia's call sets the heart aflutter...)

RolloTomasi 06-29-2010 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 663170)
alexander hamilton vs aaron burr

Just days before Aaron Burr was to meet Alexander Hamilton in that famous duel, one of Hamilton's cronies called out Burr for another duel, no doubt to save his master's hide.

But Burr put down that goon (with a sword no less), too, before dispatching Hamilton.

Shirreffs pulled the same stunt this year by sending Zardana out to take on Rachel Alexandra at the Fair Grounds, with decidely much better results.

Burr was like the equivalent of a horse that wins a Grade 1 race on the turf over a mile and a half and then only 7 days later winning a Grade 1 on dirt at a flat mile. Both duels took place in Jersey, so to be fair, maybe he couldn't carry his track with him.

This is why Hamilton appears only on the $10 bill while Andrew Jackson (who was a disciple of the ostracized Burr) appears on the $20.

Got milk?

KirisClown 06-29-2010 08:02 PM

1994 Discovery Handicap

AlreadyHome 06-29-2010 08:08 PM

You vs. Carson Hollow
 
You vs. Carson Hollow
2002 Test Stakes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCuJjhBBCSs
this race is so exciting wow
just as good as

Quote:

1989 Preakness Stakes
Easy Goer and Sunday Silence in a stretch duel no one who sees will ever forget

This is another1 wow
2003 Breeders Cup Turf
High Chaparral and Johar and Falbrav

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL-wv...eature=related

pmacdaddy 06-29-2010 08:09 PM

Le Chateau / Sumwonlovesyou / Humble Janet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_XKIwHpJKk

CSC 06-29-2010 08:13 PM

There are many but the Silver Charm/Captain Bogit/Free House & Touch Gold Preakness is right up there for me.

Honorable mention Flanders/Serena's Song.

Riot 06-29-2010 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmacdaddy (Post 663196)
Le Chateau / Sumwonlovesyou / Humble Janet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_XKIwHpJKk

Sigh ... oh, that was good! :D

The Affirmed/Alydar races were so exciting.

Danzig 06-29-2010 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 663188)
Just days before Aaron Burr was to meet Alexander Hamilton in that famous duel, one of Hamilton's cronies called out Burr for another duel, no doubt to save his master's hide.

But Burr put down that goon (with a sword no less), too, before dispatching Hamilton.

Shirreffs pulled the same stunt this year by sending Zardana out to take on Rachel Alexandra at the Fair Grounds, with decidely much better results.

Burr was like the equivalent of a horse that wins a Grade 1 race on the turf over a mile and a half and then only 7 days later winning a Grade 1 on dirt at a flat mile. Both duels took place in Jersey, so to be fair, maybe he couldn't carry his track with him.

This is why Hamilton appears only on the $10 bill while Andrew Jackson (who was a disciple of the ostracized Burr) appears on the $20.

Got milk?


i'm a hamilton fan, but not jackson....ol' aaron burr was quite the scoundrel. interesting bio's for sure!

hamiltons son died on the same spot of land as his father(well, technically the elder died in his bed, but u know what i mean), also in a duel. must have run in the family...

RolloTomasi 06-29-2010 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 663206)
i'm a hamilton fan, but not jackson....ol' aaron burr was quite the scoundrel. interesting bio's for sure!

hamiltons son died on the same spot of land as his father(well, technically the elder died in his bed, but u know what i mean), also in a duel. must have run in the family...

Jackson probably would have clobbered them all. In his most famous duel (some scumbag wouldn't pay up off on bet on a horse race, no less), he let his rival, who was a better shot, take the first shot on purpose. If he survived the blast he figured he'd be able to take his time with his own shot and have a better chance of sending his rival into early retirement. He was right.

Of course, he took one in the chest just inches from his heart, but apparently he was a good handicapper and won the photo.

The Indomitable DrugS 06-29-2010 09:21 PM

Haskin's.....

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33495

Danzig 06-29-2010 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 663211)
Jackson probably would have clobbered them all. In his most famous duel (some scumbag wouldn't pay up off on bet on a horse race, no less), he let his rival, who was a better shot, take the first shot on purpose. If he survived the blast he figured he'd be able to take his time with his own shot and have a better chance of sending his rival into early retirement. He was right.

Of course, he took one in the chest just inches from his heart, but apparently he was a good handicapper and won the photo.

i think he dueled with someone over his wife rachel....or maybe not. my main beef with the hero of new orleans was the defiance of the supreme court when he forced the native americans out of florida. but altho hamilton lost the duel, he was also a war hero. was one hell of a guy, self-made...oh, and would probably have made even bill clinton blush with his exploits.

herkhorse 06-29-2010 09:25 PM

That's the problem with politics today, not enough duels.



The Street Sense, AGS stretch duel was pretty good.

Danzig 06-29-2010 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 663216)
That's the problem with politics today, not enough duels.



The Street Sense, AGS stretch duel was pretty good.

i especially enjoyed reading about the fight on the house floor-one rep took the other reps cane, and then beat him with it. and people got offended when dick cheney said fucl< off?! lol

and yes, ags/ss was a good one. another was the one between richard sharpe and another british officer in one of bernard cornwell's fine works. that guy can tell a good story.

RolloTomasi 06-29-2010 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 663214)
i think he dueled with someone over his wife rachel....or maybe not. my main beef with the hero of new orleans was the defiance of the supreme court when he forced the native americans out of florida. but altho hamilton lost the duel, he was also a war hero. was one hell of a guy, self-made...oh, and would probably have made even bill clinton blush with his exploits.

Hamilton was a phoney war hero. He use to carry George Washington's coat around and was made a General for it. Burr saw more action but was too aggressive and cocky for Washington's taste and so was constantly passed over for promotion. Probably an underlying reason why he had no problem throwing what was left of his career away to duel with Hamilton.

Burr was also responsible for getting Thomas Jefferson the Presidency in 1800. Of course, he nearly stole it for himself in the process, but Hamilton was able to stop it from happening. Yet another score to be settled in the duel.

Danzig 06-29-2010 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 663223)
Hamilton was a phoney war hero. He use to carry George Washington's coat around and was made a General for it. Burr saw more action but was too aggressive and cocky for Washington's taste and so was constantly passed over for promotion. Probably an underlying reason why he had no problem throwing what was left of his career away to duel with Hamilton.

Burr was also responsible for getting Thomas Jefferson the Presidency in 1800. Of course, he nearly stole it for himself in the process, but Hamilton was able to stop it from happening. Yet another score to be settled in the duel.

no, that wasn't it. he kept pestering washington to get into action, and was finally allowed to do that. he took a redoubt along with a few others. i read his bio a few years ago(by ron chernow, excellent book), and remember that..i just can't remember which battle it was. washington wanted to keep hamilton by his side, since he was a valuable aide. hamilton was sharp as a tack.
and from what i read, hamilton was why jefferson, and not burr, was elected president. they kept having ties, and hamilton used some influence to sway the vote jeffersons way. he and jefferson hated each other, but hamilton felt jefferson was the better choice of the two. of course, hamilton had already pretty much killed off the federalist party because of his continuous feuding with john adams. hamilton knew how to do many things, make enemies being one of them! i also recommend a book called' hamilton, jefferson and burr'-it's here somewhere.
burr went broke, damn near got charged with a lot of crimes after going on the run following the famous duel. tried to form his own country at one point. years later, he married a wealthy widow and then spent all her money. she took him to court over it....
that's why it cracks me up when people talk about bitter party politics these days. they need to read their history! just think, george bush and john kerry facing off across a green, seconds and a doctor waiting nearby...


oh, and speaking of war 'heroes'...jefferson running for his life in virginia...lol yeah, stick to writing there, thom!

zippyneedsawin 06-29-2010 09:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCuJjhBBCSs


2002 Test


Carson Hallow and You both ran incredible races.


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