When does the $1,000,000 a day start at MTH?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

so this is what your position is reduced to? might have just been easier to admit you were wrong a few pages back. you keep failing to recognize that the #1 slogan for the monmouth meet is 50 million in 50 days.

the money is why people are at monmouth. the fact that so far they aren't close to averaging a million a day and wont be at the end of the meet is a story. at least some people think it is including the thread starter. you dont and that is fine.

but why set yourself up in the middle of a discussion that

1. you have said you dont care about
2. you have no interest in actually discussing
3. you dont think is even a story
4. you are wrong about, but too hard headed to admit?

why waste your time on something like this?

Because explaining the reality of the situation could perhaps enlighten some of the people who took the time to read this tedious thread?

You keep hanging your hat on a 'slogan'. I dont know what it is that I have said that you find so upsetting on a personal level. You keep coming back to petty points while obviously missing the point. That point is that purse money is not evenly distributed on a daily basis. A secondary point is that the amount of purse money paid out depends on many factors other than the tracks desire to pay or not pay more or less than stated in the 'slogan'. The third point is that purses are usually underpaid by some percentage for the majority of a meet's days. The reasoning is simple, the track does not want to pay more than they are required to.

You want to spin this as though something is happening that isnt typical racetrack business practices. It is not. As I have said numerous times, how much Monmouth pays out in purses is immaterial to me. If they pay out $46 million instead of $50 million it doesnt matter to me because racetracks underpaying purses is a common move. Your insistence that they are going to way underpay the purses is so far based on conjecture. But the idea that something nefarious is happening there because of your opinion over a slogan, well that does interest me.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because explaining the reality of the situation could perhaps enlighten some of the people who took the time to read this tedious thread?

You keep hanging your hat on a 'slogan'. I dont know what it is that I have said that you find so upsetting on a personal level. You keep coming back to petty points while obviously missing the point. That point is that purse money is not evenly distributed on a daily basis. A secondary point is that the amount of purse money paid out depends on many factors other than the tracks desire to pay or not pay more or less than stated in the 'slogan'. The third point is that purses are usually underpaid by some percentage for the majority of a meet's days. The reasoning is simple, the track does not want to pay more than they are required to.

You want to spin this as though something is happening that isnt typical racetrack business practices. It is not. As I have said numerous times, how much Monmouth pays out in purses is immaterial to me. If they pay out $46 million instead of $50 million it doesnt matter to me because racetracks underpaying purses is a common move. Your insistence that they are going to way underpay the purses is so far based on conjecture. But the idea that something nefarious is happening there because of your opinion over a slogan, well that does interest me.

im not taking this personally at all. why would i? despite your and others attempts, its not a personal thing at all. its actually the other way around. you wont let it go despite "not caring." ive said my piece and look forward to revisiting this in the future. then we will see who was really explaining the reality of the situation.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

im not taking this personally at all. why would i? despite your and others attempts, its not a personal thing at all. its actually the other way around. you wont let it go despite "not caring." ive said my piece and look forward to revisiting this in the future. then we will see who was really explaining the reality of the situation.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

ive said my piece and look forward to revisiting this in the future. then we will see who was really explaining the reality of the situation.

When I first saw this thread - I was like "who, other than Byk, gives a rats ass about stuff like race logos and advertising slogans - or anything that has to do with advertising for that matter?"

They only ran 14 races on Haskell day last year - the Haskell itself went as race 13.

I hope to God they card 20 races on Haskell day this year ... and all of those stupid NJ bred 2yo MSW races with like 75K purses that are coming .. I hope they split them into 3 different divisions for each sex and run them as the first 6 races of the day so they can close in on fullfilling a stupid advertising slogan... while allowing me to get some extra sleep. Win/win for everyone, right?

It actually would be sweet if they go to a 14 or 15 race schedule for Saturdays and Sundays during Saratoga and Del Mar.. and basically run right through both of them.

Who cares about saving a little extra for a pretty irrelevant fall meet.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

When I first saw this thread - I was like "who, other than Byk, gives a rats ass about stuff like race logos and advertising slogans - or anything that has to do with advertising for that matter?"

They only ran 14 races on Haskell day last year - the Haskell itself went as race 13.

I hope to God they card 20 races on Haskell day this year ... and all of those stupid NJ bred 2yo MSW races with like 75K purses that are coming .. I hope they split them into 3 different divisions for each sex and run them as the first 6 races of the day so they can close in on fullfilling a stupid advertising slogan... while allowing me to get some extra sleep. Win/win for everyone, right?

It actually would be sweet if they go to a 14 or 15 race schedule for Saturdays and Sundays during Saratoga and Del Mar.. and basically run right through both of them.

Who cares about saving a little extra for a pretty irrelevant fall meet.

when i first read your post i was like "who cares what he thinks?"

[blackthroatedwind]

There is something very interesting that is part of the reason Monmouth is giving away less money than they claimed or planned.....their races aren't filling. They have been forced to run a number of cheaper races because $80K allowance races aren't filling. There just aren't enough " quality " horses to fill races regardless of purses. Theoretically, this should put a lot of other things in perspective, as if Monmouth can't fill these races with $80K purses, how can any other tracks. The reason you see cheap racing at every track is that there simply aren't horses to fill better races.

None of this is about what was " advertised. " Like I said before, it's a great case study for the industry.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There is something very interesting that is part of the reason Monmouth is giving away less money than they claimed or planned.....their races aren't filling. They have been forced to run a number of cheaper races because $80K allowance races aren't filling. There just aren't enough " quality " horses to fill races regardless of purses. Theoretically, this should put a lot of other things in perspective, as if Monmouth can't fill these races with $80K purses, how can any other tracks. The reason you see cheap racing at every track is that there simply aren't horses to fill better races.

None of this is about what was " advertised. " Like I said before, it's a great case study for the industry.

The third race(opt allowance) at a typical NYRA event gets 6 with a pending Scratch while MP doesnt fill 3 allowance races (save the NJ bRED swill) it does feature 7 to 8 runners. The point is if you continue to offer 80plus K you will get the attention of horseman thru out the country

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The third race(opt allowance) at a typical NYRA event gets 6 with a pending Scratch while MP doesnt fill 3 allowance races (save the NJ bRED swill) it does feature 7 to 8 runners. The point is if you continue to offer 80plus K you will get the attention of horseman thru out the country

Freddy, given that Monmouth has run some short fields, " not filling " means they are NOT getting 7 or 8 horses.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by TitanSooner

it's what I'm all about

you guys are so cute

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

you guys are so cute

thank you

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

When I first saw this thread - I was like "who, other than Byk, gives a rats ass about stuff like race logos and advertising slogans - or anything that has to do with advertising for that matter?"

They only ran 14 races on Haskell day last year - the Haskell itself went as race 13.

I hope to God they card 20 races on Haskell day this year ... and all of those stupid NJ bred 2yo MSW races with like 75K purses that are coming .. I hope they split them into 3 different divisions for each sex and run them as the first 6 races of the day so they can close in on fullfilling a stupid advertising slogan... while allowing me to get some extra sleep. Win/win for everyone, right?

It actually would be sweet if they go to a 14 or 15 race schedule for Saturdays and Sundays during Saratoga and Del Mar.. and basically run right through both of them.

Who cares about saving a little extra for a pretty irrelevant fall meet.