Crist: The great distaffers..

RolloTomasi · #1 06-22-2010, 12:41 PM

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Personal Ensign is without a doubt one of greatest fillies or mares ever. As has been stated, there was no reason for her to race anywhere other than where she did. An undefeated record that was capped by her win in the BC Distaff against Winning Colors, which imo may be the greatest race effort by any filly or mare period. I do think, however, we need to put her "beat males" achievment in perspective. That race was the Grade I Whitney at Saratoga. It was a three horse field and it was basically a match race between her and Gulch who had only one win from seven tries at 1 1/8 miles albeit against top company. The third horse in the field? King's Swan.

Gulch was defeated by Java Gold, Polish Navy, Lost Code, Cryptoclearance, Cutlass Reality, Alysheba, Bet Twice, and Personal Ensign. If I have my facts right, those are the only horses to beat him at 9f (at least in the 7 9f races I came up with).

I think it's pretty lofty company.

blackthroatedwind · #2 06-22-2010, 12:47 PM

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Gulch was defeated by Java Gold, Polish Navy, Lost Code, Cryptoclearance, Cutlass Reality, Alysheba, Bet Twice, and Personal Ensign. If I have my facts right, those are the only horses to beat him at 9f (at least in the 7 9f races I came up with).

I think it's pretty lofty company.

I'm still reeling from the unfair smackdown to the mighty Swan.

RolloTomasi · #3 06-22-2010, 12:48 PM

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I'm still reeling from the unfair smackdown to the mighty Swan.

His jockey wore purple silks IIRC. He deserves everything he got on here.

10 pnt move up · #4 06-22-2010, 12:53 PM

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I'm still reeling from the unfair smackdown to the mighty Swan.

I don't remember Swan but wasnt there a Kings Swan, and in particular a horse that got a bunch of bad rides as a maiden that cost me a fortune?

blackthroatedwind · #5 06-22-2010, 01:01 PM

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I don't remember Swan but wasnt there a Kings Swan, and in particular a horse that got a bunch of bad rides as a maiden that cost me a fortune?

I was referring to Kings Swan ( I always remember some Aqueduct Stake that he toughed it out in under like 197 pounds and one of the Rastas saying " and NOOOOBODY passes the Swan " ).

He actually dealt Ogygian his first defeat and beat Gulch in the Tom Fool. He was also 5th behind Lady's Secret when she won the Whitney. He rocked.

10 pnt move up · #6 06-22-2010, 01:12 PM

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I was referring to Kings Swan ( I always remember some Aqueduct Stake that he toughed it out in under like 197 pounds and one of the Rastas saying " and NOOOOBODY passes the Swan " ).

He actually dealt Ogygian his first defeat and beat Gulch in the Tom Fool. He was also 5th behind Lady's Secret when she won the Whitney. He rocked.

okay, maybe it was a son of his, just remember betting a mdn going to the grass for the first time at like 70/1 only to get the worst ride ever and lose by a length or so, think you bet it as well.

blackthroatedwind · #7 06-22-2010, 01:16 PM

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okay, maybe it was a son of his, just remember betting a mdn going to the grass for the first time at like 70/1 only to get the worst ride ever and lose by a length or so, think you bet it as well.

He had no balls....and no sons.

I remember that maiden we bet as well. Wasn't it the last race at Belmont a few years ago?

10 pnt move up · #8 06-22-2010, 01:40 PM

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He had no balls....and no sons.

I remember that maiden we bet as well. Wasn't it the last race at Belmont a few years ago?

yup, and we bet the horse back at half the odds to get the same horrid ride...think he finally won a race or two later at about 4/1.

rgustafson · #9 06-22-2010, 02:22 PM

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I'm still reeling from the unfair smackdown to the mighty Swan.

Hey Andy, comment not meant to be a putdown on King's Swan. He was a neat horse and they don't make them like that anymore. 107 lifetime starts and he was first or second in fifty of those, winning Graded Stakes from six furlongs to 1 1/8 miles.

blackthroatedwind · #10 06-22-2010, 02:24 PM

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Hey Andy, comment not meant to be a putdown on King's Swan. He was a neat horse and they don't make them like that anymore. 107 lifetime starts and he was first or second in fifty of those, winning Graded Stakes from six furlongs to 1 1/8 miles.

I know....I was just joking around.

Revidere · #11 06-23-2010, 06:34 PM

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I know....I was just joking around.

And he did beat Gulch and Precisionist in the Tom Fool.

rgustafson · #12 06-22-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Gulch was defeated by Java Gold, Polish Navy, Lost Code, Cryptoclearance, Cutlass Reality, Alysheba, Bet Twice, and Personal Ensign. If I have my facts right, those are the only horses to beat him at 9f (at least in the 7 9f races I came up with).

I think it's pretty lofty company.

Agreed, as I said top company and I meant it. Just didn't list them.