Hypothetical Pick-3

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

hes not even close to being the best sprinter ever. where would a horse like artax rank on your all time best sprinters list?

Behind Groovy and Phone Trick

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Behind Groovy and Phone Trick

yep. i was using him as an example because he was another horse who had a few monster races. no one is going to call him maybe the best sprinter ever.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

yep. i was using him as an example because he was another horse who had a few monster races. no one is going to call him maybe the best sprinter ever.

Maybe Paragallo will

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

yep. i was using him as an example because he was another horse who had a few monster races. no one is going to call him maybe the best sprinter ever.

Any race ML would be in vs a group of "the best ever" would set up for his style, I have no doubt in my mind he would be competitive with all of these.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Any race ML would be in vs a group of "the best ever" would set up for his style, I have no doubt in my mind he would be competitive with all of these.

he probably would be competitive vs the horses listed. still doesn't make him maybe the best sprinter ever, or even close. he ran one huge race in the forego. his breeders cup wins were okay, but nothing great and its not like he beat any great horses. take a look at the horses cannon shell mentioned and what they accomplished. look at a horse like housebuster. i could name a dozen more.

he was a nice horse who was compromised because he was so big. he had gate issues due to his size. but lets be a little realistic about him.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

he was a nice horse who was compromised because he was so big. he had gate issues due to his size. but lets be a little realistic about him.

He had breathing issues.

Baffert maintained all along that he was cut out to be a router and that without the breathing issue, he'd have been an unstoppable force going long.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

He had breathing issues.

Baffert maintained all along that he was cut out to be a router and that without the breathing issue, he'd have been an unstoppable force going long.

he was also huge and had trouble in the gate because he was so big. but you are right, he had serious breathing issues. you clearly have followed the sport for many years and have seen some good ones. was midnight lute one of, if not the best sprinters ever?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

he was also huge and had trouble in the gate because he was so big. but you are right, he had serious breathing issues. you clearly have followed the sport for many years and have seen some good ones. was midnight lute one of, if not the best sprinters ever?

I think just on raw talent, your not NEARLY GIVING HIM ENOUGH CREDIT. As talented as anyone the last 10 years, not saying he is the best, but just as talented as anyone.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

he was also huge and had trouble in the gate because he was so big. but you are right, he had serious breathing issues. you clearly have followed the sport for many years and have seen some good ones. was midnight lute one of, if not the best sprinters ever?

lol

don't get me wrong, i really like ML a lot and think on his day he was really tough, but beating a horse like Phone Trick? No.

I think he probably was the best sprinter on that list however. Maybe KG, maybe him.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Any race ML would be in vs a group of "the best ever" would set up for his style, I have no doubt in my mind he would be competitive with all of these.

That is a huge backpedal from "may be the best ever". Now he's "competitive".

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Behind Groovy and Phone Trick

Good point. A bit before my time, but didn't Groovy run some out-of-this world speed figs?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Good point. A bit before my time, but didn't Groovy run some out-of-this world speed figs?

Back to back 132/133 beyers
But he was an absolute need the lead type.
Survived an insane Derby try and like 23 different trainers.