I need to listen to ATR more often

[Indian Charlie]

Hey Chucky, did you read Savantore's comments on Best Pal at that Paulick Report site?

If not, I'll quote him here for you to answer the Best Pal vs Zenyatta remark.

Though I'm not really that sure you were being serious thinking Zenyatta would beat BP 90 out of 100 times.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Hey Chucky, did you read Savantore's comments on Best Pal at that Paulick Report site?

If not, I'll quote him here for you to answer the Best Pal vs Zenyatta remark.

Though I'm not really that sure you were being serious thinking Zenyatta would beat BP 90 out of 100 times.

Doug was like 8 years old when Best Pal was running. Like i said he was good on about 10 occasions.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Doug was like 8 years old when Best Pal was running. Like i said he was good on about 10 occasions.

Sound argument.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Sound argument.

Yeah - calling me out on my age is the trendy new thing I guess. Like everyone just remembers things from 18 years ago with lazer like precision and has no need to review later on.

Who knows... in another 25 years .. I might have seen so much that I will have no need to review and just be putting quotes into old trainers mouths about stuff that never even happend.

How do I counter this amusing new attack? Maybe like ....

- were your father and grandfather stone cold degenerate gamblers who forcefed this sh!t straight down your throat?

- did you grow up living in a room above a bar that was known for bookmaking on the racing they showed on the local cable TV station before the big OTB came to the city in 1990?

- did your father ever quit his business to train race horses - even though he had never so much as pet a horse in his life before making the decision - and only got a trainers license because he bribed a guy? And only wanted a trainer license so he could gamble.

I don't even think they simulcasted with more than 3 or 4 other tracks in places like NY and Cal prior to like maybe 1995 ... if that ...did they? I can't imagine how people in those areas have seen as much racing even if they are 50. It's not easy for anyone to match that kind of degenerate upbringing.

[Indian Charlie]

Well, it's funny on how one hand he can lament people not knowing horses in the past, then on the other hand, he spews that crap out.

What do you do for a living?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Well, it's funny on how one hand he can lament people not knowing horses in the past, then on the other hand, he spews that crap out.

If he didn't go to a PAC 10 school ... you'd probably say Cannon is just an Easterner with a bias against Cal racing.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If he didn't go to a PAC 10 school ... you'd probably say Cannon is just an Easterner with a bias against Cal racing.

A bias against Cal racing in regards to a horse from California vs another horse from California?

I'm more likely to say he's just yanking our chains.

He can't really be that much of a smooth operator.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Well, it's funny on how one hand he can lament people not knowing horses in the past, then on the other hand, he spews that crap out.

LOL

So we now just selectively choose what races and years that are the true measure of a horse?

He was very good as a two year old.
Best pal was a pretty good three year old who ran well in a few big races
As a 4 year old he had a great spring
The rest of career was hit or miss, losing an awful lot to a lot of ordinary horses.

He wasn't exactly John Henry

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[The Indomitable DrugS]

For those of us to young to remember any of John Henry's career ... Best Pal was very unique and one hell of a horse when he was on his game before injury and old age caught up... and pretty solid there after.

In other matters .... Cannon ... would you care to guess at my current facebook status...

OK .... what does it mean when a chick changes her relationship status from "single" to "it's complicated" ? A.) The guy who met me at a party a week ago and tapped my fat ass hasn't called me back. B.) I'll fucl< pretty much anybody but you. C.) It's code for 'I'm a sexual degenerate' D.) She's banging dick and munching carpet. E.) She's a drama queen F.) Everybody can go fucl< themselves G.) Other

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Doug was like 8 years old when Best Pal was running. Like i said he was good on about 10 occasions.

I'm not quite that young.

As I learned much later in life ... Ian Jory fucl<ing sucks as a trainer .. and Best Pal won 4 Graded Stakes (including 2 Grade 1's) as a 2yo for Jory .. and he ran 2nd in Kentucky Derby for Jory as well.

When Best Pal left Jory's barn ... in his very first start he won the Swaps by 4 lengths - Corporate Report was 2nd - and he just missed in the Haskell next out and won the Travers following that. In start #2 for Best Pal after leaving Jory's barn ... he won the Pacific Classic, as a 3yo, in track record time - with a 118 Beyer - defeating quality older horses like Unbridled, Twilight Agenda, Farma Way, and Festin.

Here is Best Pal's 4-year-old season ...



He won the Santa Anita Handicap in blowout fashion with a still to this day record 123 Beyer - despite suffering a quarter crack before the race.

He was supposed to scratch out of the Oaklawn Park Handicap after problems with a foot .. they ran him and he beat a horse coming off of back to back Gr 1 wins and a next out Gr 1 winner.

Best Pal got hurt in the Pimlico Special - missed the rest of the year - and was never the same beast again.... although he did thump handicap champion Bertrando in the Hollywood Gold Cup the following year.

I'm not sure if you agree - but I think it's really stupid to hold the latter part of a past-prime geldings career against him...especially when you're talking about a horse who won a 5 furlong debut race - won 5 stakes races at age 2 - competed in the Classic races - and was still good enough to miss winning the Big Cap at age 7 by just a lip.

How many of precocious heavily raced 2yo's that compete in the Classics - do you see running giant races at age 7 and 8?

Don't say Funny Cide either .. that lone dazzling 97 Beyer win he had as a 7yo came at Finger Lakes for crying out loud.... does his pathetic late form diminish that he was once even money against Empire Maker for a shot at a triple crown?

[Danzig]

I see lazarus has come forth. Welcome back sir!!

[Indian Charlie]

Gawd, I forgot about that Pacific Classic as a 3yo.

I was all over Twilight Agenda there. I can't even imagine Zenyatta beating that field.

Personally, I think Chucky is just being difficult.