Obama taking away constitutional rights?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

How dare he say he has the right tooo!!!!!!!!! .

He is far from the first President to create a health council, or worry about the health of our citizens!

And Honu - it is not an "order", it is not "law" any more than the food pyramid is. Good lord.

Behavior modification is a pretty strong word and it could and might entail anything . I hope the first house they come to is yours and his order tells you what to eat and drink and how to live.

Paranoid whacky talk. Geeshus, Honu, get a grip on reality. The President - any President - couldn't do that if he wanted to. Geeshus cripes.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

He is far from the first President to create a health council, or worry about the health of our citizens!

Ah but he is the first to use the words BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION!
Really know your history there has never been a president who has issued an excutive order concerning the way people live their lives.
There have been one's concerning war like George Washington , The Emmancipation Proclamation by good old Abe and Ike to desegregate schools.
There has never been a president issue an order that is so intrusive and a clear violation of our rights under the constitution.

They could do this.....


Congressional Recourse
If Congress does not like what the executive branch is doing, it has two main options. First, it may rewrite or amend a previous law, or spell it out in greater detail how the Executive Branch must act. Of course, the President has the right to veto the bill if he disagrees with it, so, in practice, a 2/3 majority if often required to override an Executive Order.

Congress is less likely to challenge EOs that deal with foreign policy, national defense, or the implementation and negotiation of treaties, as these are powers granted largely to the President by the Constitution. As the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, the President is also considered the nation's "Chief Diplomat." In fact, given national security concerns, some defense or security related EOs (often called National Security Directives or Presidential Decision Directives) are not made public.

In addition to congressional recourse, Executive Orders can be challenged in court, usually on the grounds that the Order deviates from "congressional intent" or exceeds the President's constitutional powers. In one such notable instance, President Harry Truman, was rebuked by the Supreme Court for overstepping the bounds of presidential authority. After World War II, Truman seized control of steel mills across the nation in an effort to settle labor disputes. In response to a challenge of this action, the Supreme Court ruled that the seizure was unconstitutional and exceeded presidential powers because neither the Constitution or any statute authorized the President to seize private businesses to settle labor disputes. For the most part, however, the Court has been fairly tolerant of wide range of executive actions
is is going to happen.

[Honu]

Riot read a lil about what an Executive Order is and what it takes to repeal one and tell me that it isnt a law.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

Riot read a lil about what an Executive Order is and what it takes to repeal one and tell me that it isnt a law.

Honu - you have previously posted that you think the President can make law all by himself. No. He cannot.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

Honu - you have previously posted that you think the President can make law all by himself. No. He cannot.

The last paragraph says he can.


Definition of an executive Order:
Executive Orders (EOs) are legally binding orders given by the President, acting as the head of the Executive Branch, to Federal Administrative Agencies. Executive Orders are generally used to direct federal agencies and officials in their execution of congressionally established laws or policies. However, in many instances they have been used to guide agencies in directions contrary to congressional intent.

Not all EOs are created equal. Proclamations, for example, are a special type of Executive Order that are generally ceremonial or symbolic, such as when the President declares National Take Your Child To Work Day. Another subset of Executive Orders are those concerned with national security or defense issues. These have generally been known as National Security Directives. Under the Clinton Administration, they have been termed "Presidential Decision Directives."

Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress. The President's source of authority to issue Executive Orders can be found in the Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution which grants to the President the "executive Power." Section 3 of Article II further directs the President to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." To implement or execute the laws of the land, Presidents give direction and guidance to Executive Branch agencies and departments, often in the form of Executive Orders.

[Danzig]

'used to direct federal agencies and officials in their execution of congressionally established laws or policies'.

[Honu]

Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress.