BP Gives Up

[randallscott35]

NEW SPILL ESTIMATE

35-60k barrels a day. Lied all along. **** this company.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

NEW SPILL ESTIMATE

35-60k barrels a day. Lied all along. **** this company.

Capitalistic free enterprise created this disaster, and I guess we'll wait for capitalistic free enterprise to contain it.

Because god forbid we have socialist government strict regulation or takeover of private business.

Even if that private business makes it's money off the resources owned collectively by all Americans, even if that private business can ruin part of the United States forever, and even if that private business can ruin the lives and businesess of millions of American citizens.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Even if that private business makes it's money off the resources owned collectively by all Americans, even if that private business can ruin part of the United States forever, and even if that private business can ruin the lives and businesess of millions of American citizens.

Then I trust, in retrospect, that you are equally outraged at the selling out of America with the acts that set this catastrophe in motion.

When Clinton allowed as you say, "the resources owned collectively by all Americans", to be pilaged while arbitrarily waving royalty fees rightfully due to Americans. Giving big oil companies our resources for free thereby igniting 'a deep sea oil rush' that in turn harmed American citizens. Ladies and Gentlemen we have witnessed a major FUBAR capable of being performed by only the likes of a Bill Clinton or Al Gore. Then again he does feel our pain.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Then I trust, in retrospect, that you are equally outraged at the selling out of America with the acts that set this catastrophe in motion.

"In retrospect"? No, at the time.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Riot

Capitalistic free enterprise created this disaster, and I guess we'll wait for capitalistic free enterprise to contain it.

Because god forbid we have socialist government strict regulation or takeover of private business.

Even if that private business makes it's money off the resources owned collectively by all Americans, even if that private business can ruin part of the United States forever, and even if that private business can ruin the lives and businesess of millions of American citizens.

So the cause of the spill was capitalism? No reach there. Nothing like turning this mess into a reason to peddle your agenda. Kudos

[joeydb]

Yeah, this president is a joke, and a bad joke at that.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste." -Rahm Emmanuel

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Yeah, this president is a joke, and a bad joke at that.

So what would our other choice, John McCain, be doing today about this if he were President?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

So what would our other choice, John McCain, be doing today about this if he were President?

hopefully surviving til the end of his term, to keep dingbat out of the oval office!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

hopefully surviving til the end of his term, to keep dingbat out of the oval office!

Thinking about that, I had a shiver up my spine ...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

So the cause of the spill was capitalism? No reach there. Nothing like turning this mess into a reason to peddle your agenda. Kudos

Private drilling = capitalism = free enterprise = business. I'm all for it. The difference is I'm also all for taking responsibility for it.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Capitalistic free enterprise created this disaster, and I guess we'll wait for capitalistic free enterprise to contain it.

Because god forbid we have socialist government strict regulation or takeover of private business.

Even if that private business makes it's money off the resources owned collectively by all Americans, even if that private business can ruin part of the United States forever, and even if that private business can ruin the lives and businesess of millions of American citizens.

So right comrade!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So right comrade!

I got it! That was a joke about how she's a Russian Socialist!!!!!

Awesome! I'm catching on with these comebacks -- one day soon I'll be lobbing nifty ones like that all by myself! I'll just say "why don't we just put a hammer and sickle on the flag" or "Pelosi Plasticface" or "comrade" or "CarterELEVENTY!!!!!!" every time Riot posts anything and I'll get 10 pies per post for my quick wit and unflappable brilliance in the face of her leftist, socialist, (insert any word we barely know the meaning of but sounds incredibly dangerous) propaganda!!11!!1!!

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

...(insert any word we barely know the meaning of but sounds incredibly dangerous) propaganda!!11!!1!!

And this is different from how the left called Bush a "war criminal" and "a fascist" how?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

And this is different from how the left called Bush a "war criminal" and "a fascist" how?

it's not.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

And this is different from how the left called Bush a "war criminal" and "a fascist" how?

I've never called Bush a "war criminal" or a "fascist". You have a problem with those that do, call them names - not me.

[Riot]

So - Dell, Randall, Joey, Cannon, Timm -

Are you guys - who are criticizing Obama, and fear socialism, and don't want government interference in capitalistic pursuits - in favor of the government completely removing itself from involvement in the oil spill cleanup? From involvement in regulation of the oil industry?

Yes or no? Caveats?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I got it! That was a joke about how she's a Russian Socialist!!!!!

Awesome! I'm catching on with these comebacks -- one day soon I'll be lobbing nifty ones like that all by myself! I'll just say "why don't we just put a hammer and sickle on the flag" or "Pelosi Plasticface" or "comrade" or "CarterELEVENTY!!!!!!" every time Riot posts anything and I'll get 10 pies per post for my quick wit and unflappable brilliance in the face of her leftist, socialist, (insert any word we barely know the meaning of but sounds incredibly dangerous) propaganda!!11!!1!!

Riot has worked so hard she is disserving of all her accolades. Don't rain on her parade.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Riot has worked so hard she is disserving of all her accolades. Don't rain on her parade.

You clearly didn't even understand the point of the post.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I suppose captialism caused Chernobyl as well?

I don't know anything about oil rigs (as a matter of fact there is only one poster that I know of that has ever stepped foot on one) but this seemed to be an accident. People who are proclaiming that stricter govt regulation could have prevented this are guessing as well. Acting as if BP didn't care that this happened is beyond idiotic. Everyone is monday morning quarterbacking this deal now and taking away our rights because of an accident regardless of how devastating the results are is a dangerous path. Naturally these same people (Riot) champion the rights of terrorists yet seem willing to handover private business to the govt.

Uh ok...

What does Chernobyl have to do with the gulf oil spill? Nothing at all, other than that it was a disaster. Ludicrous comparison.

If you think this was just an "accident", you clearly need to get up to speed on what has been publicized and verified as to what went down on that rig before 11 men were killed. It was no accident. It was a disaster waiting to happen. It was purposeful, deliberate shortcuts of safety in favor of money.

Drilling on that rig was behind schedule, millions of dollars over budget, and decisions were made before the explosion and fire to pursue less expensive, quicker, more dangerous drilling methods. Eleven men are dead.

Verified, publicized, whistleblown. You've missed this in the news, or you are just ignoring it?

Regarding the "stricter government regulation", you might note how MMS allowed BP (at BP insistence) to remove multiple safety requirements that would have prevented this disaster. BP is responsible for 97% of the safety violations in the oil industry. "Guessing" those safety requirements would have prevented it? Not true, according to those in the industry, and the whistleblowers that have already come forward about what happened on that rig before the disaster (cutting corners to save costs, etc).

You want no government interference? Here ya go. Here's the result of BP removing MMS supervision. You got it in spades - it's spilling thousands of gallons in the gulf right now, and eleven men are dead.

Why do you think OSHA even exists? Because strict, unfettered capitalism goes out of it's way to protect it's workers lives?

Kinda like the US before unions? Like China now?

Feel free to "retrain your rights" and wait for BP to clean this up all alone, with zero government supervision. Good luck with being a strict libertarian in the face of real life.

What about the rights of we Americans to not live in a hazmat zone, to keep our businesses, to fish, to have our gulf of Mexico, and the species who live there, unspoiled?

You want strict, unfettered capitalism, you have to live with the consequences. There is room for government, to protect the rights of it's citizens, to protect our resources, to protect our lives.

Naturally these same people (Riot) champion the rights of terrorists yet seem willing to handover private business to the govt.

Really? Is that the same as "you people" (Cannon) championing the rights of companies to kill their employees with no responsibility? Uh. Okay.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So right comrade!

Whoosh ...