Ahhhhh she did it!!!!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

wait...so, you're saying they ran more slowly because they had competition?? had they had no one to chase down, they'd have run faster? hmm, thanks for clearing that up.

I'm saying if you put in that horse that Baffert won the SAH with, then Rachel, or Rail Trip will get eatin' up late (especially at 10f) by Zenyatta (or Blame.) When these two you're talking about get to lay off a moderate pace, then it's all about whether they feel competition when they engage for the lead. If they get in the 5 mil race, they will either have to go faster (in the middle) than they want to, or they will have company when they go for the lead at the top of the stretch. Neither want 10f, so they will get run by (like the 8-9f lover Gio Ponte did when she had 10f to get him.) She's run down anything put in front of her so far, but keep trying animals. We'll see. She's the best competitor I have ever seen. Whether she could beat other really good 10f horses of the past? I don't know. She'd sure try. I don't think anyone was gunna beat Curlin the day he won the B.C. Classic. See, this is what people do when they hate a horse. They start trying to run it against horses from the past.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I'm saying if you put in that horse that Baffert won the SAH with, then Rachel, or Rail Trip will get eatin' up late (especially at 10f) by Zenyatta (or Blame.) When these two you're talking about get to lay off a moderate pace, then it's all about whether they feel competition when they engage for the lead.

Misremembered... He is better on dirt, check out his Clark... He was injured, working back now I think

[ManilaRose]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They start trying to run it against horses from the past.

It's difficult to know how "The Queen" would stack up against top horses from the past when the connections aren't even willing to find out how she stacks up to the best horses of the present more than once per year.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by ManilaRose

It's difficult to know how "The Queen" would stack up against top horses from the past when the connections aren't even willing to find out how she stacks up to the best horses of the present more than once per year.

Pretty much.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ManilaRose

It's difficult to know how "The Queen" would stack up against top horses from the past when the connections aren't even willing to find out how she stacks up to the best horses of the present more than once per year.

I think all the doubts people had about her going into the B.C. last year were legit. I didn't know if she could run to the level of her competition. She proved she will do that. Yesterday, she proved she will run down a horse streakin' to the wire in front of her (while carrying 9 lbs. less.) She runs to the level of her competition. She competes. That's why I don't think these higher numbers are that important. She will run what she has to run to be first. People obviously don't believe that. I think she'll prove it to them, but she's not gunna run faster than she has to. Folks, this is a great competitor. They do this. They look like they can easily be beaten, but it is not easy to beat them. She is teasing you.....Say what you will about the owner/trainer, but don't confuse it (their timidness) for a lack of gameness by the horse. She obviously thinks she can run anyone down, and she likes to do it in a way that infuriates her haters.

[ManilaRose]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I think all the doubts people had about her going into the B.C. last year were legit. I didn't know if she could run to the level of her competition. She proved she will do that. Yesterday, she proved she will run down a horse streakin' to the wire in front of her (while carrying 9 lbs. less.) She runs to the level of her competition. She competes. That's why I don't think these higher numbers are that important. She will run what she has to run to be first. People obviously don't believe that. I think she'll prove it to them, but she's not gunna run faster than she has to. Folks, this is a great competitor. They do this. They look like they can easily be beaten, but it is not easy to beat them. She is teasing you.....Say what you will about the owner/ trainer, but don't confuse it for a lack of gameness by the horse. She obviously thinks she can run anyone down, and she likes to do it in a way that infuriates her haters.

I like the horse and everything you say MAY very well be true, but there is no way of knowing that by setting in Cali beating a bunch of sorry fillies. What infuriates me is that the connections aren't willing to truly find out how this filly stacks up against the top competition on a consistent basis. They are doing a disservice to the horse. They want to tell us how great she is rather than show us. When she fails to win HOY again this year they will whine and moan just like last year when in reality they have nobody to blame but themselves.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ManilaRose

I like the horse and everything you say MAY very well be true, but there is no way of knowing that by setting in Cali beating a bunch of sorry fillies. What infuriates me is that the connections aren't willing to truly find out how this filly stacks up against the top competition on a consistent basis. They are doing a disservice to the horse. They want to tell us how great she is rather than show us. When she fails to win HOY again this year they will whine and moan just like last year when in reality they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Well, when you win a 5 mil dollar race, and people poo poo it, then you don't really deserve to have her come back there MUCH. She should be racing in the Big Cap, and the Gold Cup, though.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, when you win a 5 mil dollar race, and people poo poo it, then you don't really deserve to have her come back there MUCH. She should be racing in the Big Cap, and the Gold Cup, though.

exactly

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by ManilaRose

It's difficult to know how "The Queen" would stack up against top horses from the past when the connections aren't even willing to find out how she stacks up to the best horses of the present.

It may not have seemed like much from a couple thousand miles away, but yesterday Zenyatta beat the horse that was the favorite in the 2010 Santa Anita Handicap....St. Trinians.


And yesterday Zenyatta bested Zardana easily. The same Zardana who won over Rachel Alexandra on the dirt at the Fair Grounds in March of 2010.


Two races back Zenyatta won over the winner of the 2009 Kentucky Derby.


In the same race Zenyatta won over the winner of the 2009 Belmont Stakes.

And the winner of the 2009 Travers Stakes.

And the winner of the 2009 Jockey Club Gold Cup.


Seems to me like she's been in against some good present day company.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

It may not have seemed like much from a couple thousand miles away, but yesterday Zenyatta beat the horse that was the favorite in the 2010 Santa Anita Handicap....St. Trinians.

That seems to say a hell of a lot more about the Big Cap field than it does about St Trinians. Yes, Zenyatta beat some good horses in the Classic, we get it. She also got them all on her home field. The point is it's way past time for something more challenging than Sunday's race.

[letswastemoney]

Yes St. Trinians was the favorite in the SA Handicap. But she finished 6th!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Yes St. Trinians was the favorite in the SA Handicap. But she finished 6th!

Never let a fact get in the way of a good arguement!

Really though, St. Trinians is most likely the 2nd best female horse on the west coast. Maybe blind luck or her.. Its not an insult to say you beat St Trinians while giving 9 pounds (though Zen should be racing against males) She looked like a winner in the stretch and Zen ran her down in a thrilling fasion. St. Trinians' leg is scary though.. i thought she was going to start flying like a helicopter with that propeller.

About westcoasts Zardana statement though... Zardana isnt the same on poly as she is on dirt.. and to bring up the march 2010 race is just dumb considering it was off a 7 month layoff. Rachel beat Zardana by the same amount or more than Zen did two races back, didnt she? What does that mean? Absolutely nothing. (just proving that the Zardana argument is stupid)

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Never let a fact get in the way of a good arguement!

Really though, St. Trinians is most likely the 2nd best female horse on the west coast. Maybe blind luck or her.. Its not an insult to say you beat St Trinians while giving 9 pounds (though Zen should be racing against males) She looked like a winner in the stretch and Zen ran her down in a thrilling fasion. St. Trinians' leg is scary though.. i thought she was going to start flying like a helicopter with that propeller.

About westcoasts Zardana statement though... Zardana isnt the same on poly as she is on dirt.. and to bring up the march 2010 race is just dumb considering it was off a 7 month layoff. Rachel beat Zardana by the same amount or more than Zen did two races back, didnt she? What does that mean? Absolutely nothing. (just proving that the Zardana argument is stupid)

St. Trinians ran the best race of her career and she had already ran some good ones since arriving in NA, I don't know how she can run better coming out of the Vanity, 99/100 that was a winning race and she would be a gr.1 winner today if not...

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

It may not have seemed like much from a couple thousand miles away, but yesterday Zenyatta beat the horse that was the favorite in the 2010 Santa Anita Handicap....St. Trinians.


And yesterday Zenyatta bested Zardana easily. The same Zardana who won over Rachel Alexandra on the dirt at the Fair Grounds in March of 2010.


Two races back Zenyatta won over the winner of the 2009 Kentucky Derby.


In the same race Zenyatta won over the winner of the 2009 Belmont Stakes.

And the winner of the 2009 Travers Stakes.

And the winner of the 2009 Jockey Club Gold Cup.


Seems to me like she's been in against some good present day company.

Riiiiight, and Zenyatta did all this by traveling across country and running on a surface she hadnt even sniffed before??? Oh thats right it was the other way around. She beat them all on a surface none of these horses had ever raced on in her own back yard.

And NO that is not the same Zardana that we saw in March. Proven by her prior race.

Why you people continue to compare apples to oranges is beyond me, this argument is complete nonsense.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

It may not have seemed like much from a couple thousand miles away, but yesterday Zenyatta beat the horse that was the favorite in the 2010 Santa Anita Handicap.....

Using your reasoning, RA's Preakness win is more meaningful because she beat the Kentucky Derby favorite.

[slotdirt]

DIdn't the Kentucky Derby favorite also finish like 11th in that race?

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

DIdn't the Kentucky Derby favorite also finish like 11th in that race?

Something like that. But don't let that stand in the way of the significance of a horse having been favored in a major race. If St Trinians had been only the morning-line fav for the Big Cap, would the zaniacs still bring it up?

[DaTruth]

I wonder if Anabaa's Creation had ever been favored in any major stakes events?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Something like that. But don't let that stand in the way of the significance of a horse having been favored in a major race. If St Trinians had been only the morning-line fav for the Big Cap, would the zaniacs still bring it up?

of course. Zenyatta ran down the morning line favorite of the Big Cap, St Trinians.

Davidowitz article would have been better either not using that at all, or at least saying she ran 6th.

crinkle

trash can

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

DIdn't the Kentucky Derby favorite also finish like 11th in that race?

And the Big Cap favorite finished 6th! St Trinians is a nice mare and probably 2nd best in the West (tho Blind Luck is good)... But by calling her the "big cap favorite St Trinians" is just insulting to people who have a functional brain.

"6th place Big Cap finisher St Trinians" could be a real statement... and sure she really was the favorite, and she ran 6th, so WTF does being the favorite mean? The betting public did a terrible job betting that race? I really cant believe Davidowitz used that in his article... but I guess I believe anything now-a-days.