Zenyatta assigned 129 pounds for Vanity

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The hall of fame is really going to become a joke. Horses are going to be elected on reputation rather than accomplishment. There are already too many jockeys in there. Seriously every rider that was in the top 5 for 10 years or more in NY or CA the last 30 years is in. What kind of club is it if everyone gets in? There was some deserved hand wringing about Point given being elected. But that is just the tip of the iceberg. Personally I dont think Best Pal should have been put in. He just was never that good. I obviously didnt see a whole lot of the horses from the 60's and before but there isnt one horse that I saw that I wouldnt have taken over Best Pal. Of course now his accomplishment look better when you compare them to the current older horses which each year seem to be a little more disgraceful. It is Like Jaime Moyer being elected to the baseball HoF. Point Given is like Albert Belle.

Don't insult Belle.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Don't insult Belle.

Joey belle

[Cannon Shell]

If Best Pal and Point Given are in the hall of fame then Bet Twice and Lost Code should be in as well.

[Cannon Shell]

Why not Java Gold? Forty Niner? Chiefs Crown? Spend a Buck? Ferdinand?

Would anyone have taken Best Pal in a race against any of these non-hall of fame horses?

If you are going to elect Smarty jones and company you better go back and reevaluate these horses

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why not Java Gold? Forty Niner? Chiefs Crown? Spend a Buck? Ferdinand?

Would anyone have taken Best Pal in a race against any of these non-hall of fame horses?

If you are going to elect Smarty jones and company you better go back and reevaluate these horses

I think to some degree you're knocking Best Pal for continuing to run way beyond his prime.

On paper, he was one of the most accomplished 2yos of recent memory and he was definitely in a zone as a 4yo in an abbreviated season.

That said, I don't think he should be in the HOF if some of the others you mentioned aren't.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I think to some degree you're knocking Best Pal for continuing to run way beyond his prime.

On paper, he was one of the most accomplished 2yos of recent memory and he was definitely in a zone as a 4yo in an abbreviated season.

That said, I don't think he should be in the HOF if some of the others you mentioned aren't.

No I am knocking him because he just wasnt that good. He was durable and consistent but hardly great. he never won a single eclipe award despite racing during a down period. Perhaps you could have made a case that he could have been voted 2 year old champion but even back then the BC trumped most of the rest of the 2 yo races.

Eclipse winners years that he ran
2 yo -Fly So free
3 yo -Hansel
Older male (4) -Pleasant Tap
Older male (5) - Bertrando
Older male (6) - The Wicked North
Older male (7) - Cigar

Cigar notwithstanding, he never had a good enough single season to win a national award, losing to some of the worst winners since the awards were instituted in 1971. He was elected because of his longevity, not in spite of it.

The other problem that we have is that the voters are generally clueless as a group, with few having much of a grasp of the sports history prior to Cigar.

[alysheba4]

have to say no.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Joey belle

"Joey" wasn't even close to being the worst thing they were calling him at Miss. St. when he went up in the stands after some people.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

"Joey" wasn't even close to being the worst thing they were calling him at Miss. St. when he went up in the stands after some people.

He was a gem