Zenyatta assigned 129 pounds for Vanity

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

St.trinians can run and it looks like the race sets up for her to be the target at the quarter pole. She doesnt quit and has a good turn of foot.

I dont think she can catch her.

The Zanyatta camp is taking a risk running in this race.

yeah we dont want that...

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO0h4oyb6WI

130lbs

beating Educated Risk, Dispute and You'd be Surprised

You'd be Surprised 120
Trainer:Mack Miller
Owner: Rokeby Stable
Winnings: 23 Starts: 10 - 8 - 1, $606,007

At 4: WON Top Flight H. (G1), John A. Morris H. (G1), Gallorette H. (G3), 2ND: Capital Holding Mile S.; 3RD Hempstead H. (G1)
At 5 - WON New York H.(G2), 2ND: John A. Morris H. (G1), Saratoga Breeders' Cup H., Hempstead H. (G1)

Educated Risk 114
Owner: Ogden Mills Phipps
Trainer: Shug Mcgaughey
Winnings: 23 Starts: 11 - 6 - 4, $1,613,717

At 2: Won Frizette S.(G1), 2nd Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies S.(G1), Matron S.(G1)
At 3: 2nd Acorn S.(G1), 3rd Test S.(G1), Prioress S.(G2)
At 4: Won Top Flight H.(G1), Churchill Downs Breeders' Cup (G2), Virginia H.(G3), 2nd Beldame S.(G1), Rampart H.(G2), 3rd Ruffian H.(G1)
At 5: Won Rampart H.(G2), Shirley Jones H.(G3).

Dispute 117
Owner: Ogden Mills Phipps
Trainer: Shug McGaughey
Winnings: 19 Starts: 9 - 4 - 4, $1,106,906

1st: Kentucky Oaks (G1,CD,9F), Beldame (G1,Bel,9F), Gazelle (G1,Bel,9F), Spinster (G1,Kee,9F), Bonnie Miss (G2,8.5F,GP)
2nd: Astarita S., Ruffian H. (2x), Mother Goose S.
3rd: Nijana S., Bed o'Roses H., John A. Morris H.
4th: Breeders' Cup Distaff

Link River 110
Owner: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al Maktoum
Trainer: Bill Mott
Winnings: 14 Starts: 6 - 2 - 0, $273,243

At 4: Won John A. Morris H. (G1); 2nd Go For Wand S. (G1)

[Merlinsky]

I hope Sky Beauty makes it in the Hall next year. Someone's gonna have to pitch me why Smarty Jones should, esp. if they wanna argue it before her. She showed everybody how it's done there.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

I hope Sky Beauty makes it in the Hall next year. Someone's gonna have to pitch me why Smarty Jones should, esp. if they wanna argue it before her. She showed everybody how it's done there.

Those trips across the Alleghenies ruined her reputation.

[Cannon Shell]

The hall of fame is really going to become a joke. Horses are going to be elected on reputation rather than accomplishment. There are already too many jockeys in there. Seriously every rider that was in the top 5 for 10 years or more in NY or CA the last 30 years is in. What kind of club is it if everyone gets in? There was some deserved hand wringing about Point given being elected. But that is just the tip of the iceberg. Personally I dont think Best Pal should have been put in. He just was never that good. I obviously didnt see a whole lot of the horses from the 60's and before but there isnt one horse that I saw that I wouldnt have taken over Best Pal. Of course now his accomplishment look better when you compare them to the current older horses which each year seem to be a little more disgraceful. It is Like Jaime Moyer being elected to the baseball HoF. Point Given is like Albert Belle.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The hall of fame is really going to become a joke. Horses are going to be elected on reputation rather than accomplishment. There are already too many jockeys in there. Seriously every rider that was in the top 5 for 10 years or more in NY or CA the last 30 years is in. What kind of club is it if everyone gets in? There was some deserved hand wringing about Point given being elected. But that is just the tip of the iceberg. Personally I dont think Best Pal should have been put in. He just was never that good. I obviously didnt see a whole lot of the horses from the 60's and before but there isnt one horse that I saw that I wouldnt have taken over Best Pal. Of course now his accomplishment look better when you compare them to the current older horses which each year seem to be a little more disgraceful. It is Like Jaime Moyer being elected to the baseball HoF. Point Given is like Albert Belle.

Don't insult Belle.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Don't insult Belle.

Joey belle

[Cannon Shell]

If Best Pal and Point Given are in the hall of fame then Bet Twice and Lost Code should be in as well.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Joey belle

"Joey" wasn't even close to being the worst thing they were calling him at Miss. St. when he went up in the stands after some people.

[Revidere]

QUOTE=Cannon Shell;655154]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO0h4oyb6WI

130lbs

beating Educated Risk, Dispute and You'd be Surprised

You'd be Surprised 120
Trainer:Mack Miller
Owner: Rokeby Stable
Winnings: 23 Starts: 10 - 8 - 1, $606,007

At 4: WON Top Flight H. (G1), John A. Morris H. (G1), Gallorette H. (G3), 2ND: Capital Holding Mile S.; 3RD Hempstead H. (G1)
At 5 - WON New York H.(G2), 2ND: John A. Morris H. (G1), Saratoga Breeders' Cup H., Hempstead H. (G1)

Educated Risk 114
Owner: Ogden Mills Phipps
Trainer: Shug Mcgaughey
Winnings: 23 Starts: 11 - 6 - 4, $1,613,717

At 2: Won Frizette S.(G1), 2nd Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies S.(G1), Matron S.(G1)
At 3: 2nd Acorn S.(G1), 3rd Test S.(G1), Prioress S.(G2)
At 4: Won Top Flight H.(G1), Churchill Downs Breeders' Cup (G2), Virginia H.(G3), 2nd Beldame S.(G1), Rampart H.(G2), 3rd Ruffian H.(G1)
At 5: Won Rampart H.(G2), Shirley Jones H.(G3).

Dispute 117
Owner: Ogden Mills Phipps
Trainer: Shug McGaughey
Winnings: 19 Starts: 9 - 4 - 4, $1,106,906

1st: Kentucky Oaks (G1,CD,9F), Beldame (G1,Bel,9F), Gazelle (G1,Bel,9F), Spinster (G1,Kee,9F), Bonnie Miss (G2,8.5F,GP)
2nd: Astarita S., Ruffian H. (2x), Mother Goose S.
3rd: Nijana S., Bed o'Roses H., John A. Morris H.
4th: Breeders' Cup Distaff

Link River 110
Owner: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al Maktoum
Trainer: Bill Mott
Winnings: 14 Starts: 6 - 2 - 0, $273,243

At 4: Won John A. Morris H. (G1); 2nd Go For Wand S. (G1)[/quote]

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

130lbs

beating Educated Risk, Dispute and You'd be Surprised

Defeating those horses while carrying 130lbs was a real achievement.. I've always thought of it as the top moment in her career.. It's a shame the BC wasnt at Belmont in 94.. it would have been a heck of a race between her and Heavenly Prize..

[CSC]

9 lbs to St. Trinians...I have a healthy respect for whomever Mitchell is throwing out there at the moment. As much as the Rachelites will try to make of it, if St. Trinians runs her A race, this is a bigger test than what Rachel has faced this year. 2010

Spinning already.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Spinning already.

I know ST is not Zardana, but she is right there at the top of the division isn't she? No worries Zenyatta will be fine.

Originally Posted by CSC

Well she is right there at the top of the division isn't she? No worries Zenyatta will be fine.

The Special Olympics Division? Don't be scared. I know it's possible to take after the connections but man up, dude.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by CSC

9 lbs to St. Trinians...I have a healthy respect for whomever Mitchell is throwing out there at the moment. As much as the Rachelites will try to make of it, if St. Trinians runs her A race, this is a bigger test than what Rachel has faced this year. 2010

Close call but I couldn't be so sure. Unrivaled Belle is an improving filly and never got the credit she deserved in defeating RA.

[NTamm1215]

So St. Trinians is better than Unrivaled Belle because the former beat Life Is Sweet?

It's one thing to say that Zenyatta winning this race with all that weight would be a huge accomplishment, it's quite another to say that St. Trinians is better than Unrivaled Belle.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why Zenyatta is only giving St. Trinians 9 lbs and why she's carrying the exact same thing she was last year in this race.

NT

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So St. Trinians is better than Unrivaled Belle because the former beat Life Is Sweet?

It's one thing to say that Zenyatta winning this race with all that weight would be a huge accomplishment, it's quite another to say that St. Trinians is better than Unrivaled Belle.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why Zenyatta is only giving St. Trinians 9 lbs and why she's carrying the exact same thing she was last year in this race.

NT

What is it about St. Trinians that is so awful in your opinion? When the Apple Blossom was announced earlier this year, some were even saying she was the 3rd most interesting filly if she would have ran in that race. Unrivaled Belle has won one race, the same reaction occured when Zardana beat Rachel. Let's keep that in mind, she may turn out to be a pretty special filly, but at the moment let's reign back the superlatives. St. Trinians has atleast ran some big races in So Cal before her lacklustre Big Cap, I think anyone can observe she is not a filly that is chopped liver caliber coming into The Vanity, even the anti-Zenyatta advocates should recognize this.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why Zenyatta is only giving St. Trinians 9 lbs and why she's carrying the exact same thing she was last year in this race.

NT

Because they were afraid hitting the magical number of 130 or higher would cause Zenyatta's connections to tell them to go jump. They want her in the race, ergo she gets 129. They couldn't be absolutely ridiculous and give her less than before--she's won the BCC since. They also might've been concerned that they'd have to give ST and the others even less unless they had Z up high enough. A little balancing act.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So St. Trinians is better than Unrivaled Belle because the former beat Life Is Sweet?

It's one thing to say that Zenyatta winning this race with all that weight would be a huge accomplishment, it's quite another to say that St. Trinians is better than Unrivaled Belle.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why Zenyatta is only giving St. Trinians 9 lbs and why she's carrying the exact same thing she was last year in this race.

NT

This is rhetorical right, the reason?