Do we need any more proof?

[joeydb]

Do we need any more proof that the pro-Israel party is the Republican party? The Democrats take every opportunity to tear Israel down in favor of the Palestinians or other Middle East powers.

I am both Republican and pro-Israel. I am not Jewish, but have several friends who are, and they are just now seeing that their persistent political allegiance to the Democratic Party and their pro-Israel stance are at odds. As an outsider to Judaism, I cannot understand how this isn't more clear to those who would like to see Israel succeed.

To the issue at hand:

If Obama forces Israel to formally announce the existence of its nuclear program, and accept limitations on it as part of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, that will be a disaster. The ambiguity of Israel's statements about nukes is part of the deterrence it needs, for a nation that at its narrowest point is only 9 miles wide.

If Ahmadinejad gets a nuke, the first missile is going only one of two places: New York or Tel Aviv, depending on the range capability of the booster the warhead is mounted on.

[Patrick333]

Should Obama's position on Isreal be a surprise to anybody?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Patrick333

Should Obama's position on Isreal be a surprise to anybody?

absolutely not.

He has a Carteristic way of looking at all things foreign. Bow to our enemies and scorn our allies. Carter is on record as saying Israel is the world's worst perpetrator of human rights violations going so far as to say they are worst than Rwanda. So this is just visiting the past for the Democratic party

BTW Some Americans RIOT for one agree with and embrace the Obama/Carter policy. But thank the Lord they are still in the minority.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

BTW Some Americans RIOT for one agree with and embrace the Obama/Carter policy. But thank the Lord they are still in the minority.

Actually, no, I do not, Dell.

But don't let that keep you from babbling on like an idiot about things you make up in your head

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Actually, no, I do not, Dell.

But don't let that keep you from babbling on like an idiot about things you make up in your head

You said (and I quote for the umpteenth time here)

"Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world."

so do you now think despite the understanding Obama has he is mistaken in policy or have you come to your senses and realize your above statement was the 'actual' babblings of an idiot.?

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You said (and I quote for the umpteenth time here)

"Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world."

so do you now think despite the understanding Obama has he is mistaken in policy or have you come to your senses and realize your above statement was the 'actual' babblings of an idiot.?

This should be in your signature.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You said (and I quote for the umpteenth time here)

"Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world."

so do you now think despite the understanding Obama has he is mistaken in policy or have you come to your senses and realize your above statement was the 'actual' babblings of an idiot.?

I give up, Dell. You're just too stupid. You repeatedly show you just don't have the IQ to read and understand some sentences.

I have stated word for word previously to you, several times - that saying someone has an interest in, and understands a situation has complexities, doesn't mean I think they got it right. I have stated previously that no, I don't agree with Carter's and Obama's policies.

Read the above really slowly, and ask for help with the big words, and maybe the light bulb will come on. But that's very, very doubtful. The voices in your head about what you imagine I said are too strong, I guess.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I give up, Dell. You're just too stupid. You repeatedly show you just don't have the IQ to read and understand some sentences.

I have stated word for word previously to you, several times - that saying someone has an interest in, and understands a situation has complexities, doesn't mean I think they got it right. I have stated previously that no, I don't agree with Carter's and Obama's policies.
.

Just wondering how the two Presidents 'who get it' both ended up getting it wrong? I have also come to the realization I will never understand you whether it be due to my stupidity or not.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Just wondering how the two Presidents 'who get it' both ended up getting it wrong? I have also come to the realization I will never understand you whether it be due to my stupidity or not.

if you read her sentence, she said both understand that it's complicated. the way it's written makes it sound that they get what many don't, but i don't think that's the case. i think everyone understands that it's a complicated issue.

Originally Posted by Danzig

if you read her sentence, she said both understand that it's complicated. the way it's written makes it sound that they get what many don't, but i don't think that's the case. i think everyone understands that it's a complicated issue.

Yeah there's no hidden agenda to it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah there's no hidden agenda to it.

oh, i'm not saying that. it's not as tho carter was some kind of super intelligent being who figured out what others could not. she attempts to make the two sound far above everyone in this regard, which i would disagree with.

Originally Posted by Danzig

oh, i'm not saying that. it's not as tho carter was some kind of super intelligent being who figured out what others could not. she attempts to make the two sound far above everyone in this regard, which i would disagree with.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if you read her sentence, she said both understand that it's complicated. the way it's written makes it sound that they get what many don't, but i don't think that's the case. i think everyone understands that it's a complicated issue.

LOL - the only one who keeps reading that sentence is Dell, who gets some scary weird high off it, even though back, a year or two? ago when it was written, it was just a small comment in the context of a greater discussion, not about the middle east.

Poor Dell.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - the only one who keeps reading that sentence is Dell.

Poor Dell.

I read it long ago, read it again and find it as delusional today as I did two years ago, only now it's far timelier.

BTW I 'post' it not 'read' it

"Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world."

How do you come up with this stuff? It's comedy gold!

[dellinger63]

More proof and this is sickening!

http://www.breitbart.tv/helen-thomas...germany-poland

[dellinger63]

This woman is as ugly on the inside as she is on the out.

http://dailyradar.com/beltwayblips/v...use-s-lack-of/

[geeker2]

It's ok as long as you apologize

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by geeker2

It's ok as long as you apologize

a la Rev. Jesse 'Hymietown' Jackson

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I read it long ago, read it again and find it as delusional today as I did two years ago, only now it's far timelier

And sadly enough, for two years, you are still scarily "fixated" upon some passing comment internet posting You are unable to comprehend how that fit into the discussion at the time. And you just choose to ignore what I've said multiple times about Obama's and/or Carter's middle east policy.

"Delusional" is certainly relative

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

And sadly enough, for two years, you are still scarily "fixated" upon some passing comment internet posting:

The comment was originally made after you told Chuck to read Carter's latest book as though his anti-Israel stance is to be taken seriously. You were raving about Obama's speech in Cairo. It was hardly in passing. You're entitled to your views no matter how far out they may be. Say it loud and proud!


IMO the two Presidents you believe 'get it' are closer to the views of Helen Thomas and Rev. Jesse Jackson than they are to what I consider the 'norm' and for Israel that’s scary. I 'get' they are both pro-Palestine.