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[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Don't tell the Cubs that the Pirates suck. They are now 1-6 against them this season.

Honestly the Nationals seem to be making all the right moves with SS including bringing him up to face some of the weaket lineups in baseball for his first 6 or 7 starts. They resisted the pressure to start the season with him, effectively buying time and getting another year of control over his contract situation. They also have seemingly brought him up the ladder rapid enough to let him get some experience without too much stress. He will have plenty of that once he gets to the majors as he is going to be expected to pitch better than any other rookie maybe ever has. That isn't saying that he will or wont but the expectation levels for this guy are extreme.

Yeah, I originally gave him 8 starts before his arm falls off. They've done a good job, he might make it to his third season before it falls off. Either way it was happening at some point.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, I originally gave him 8 starts before his arm falls off. They've done a good job, he might make it to his third season before it falls off. Either way it was happening at some point.

Why would you say that? The guy has flawless mechanics. And he is not a Met. 2 positive attributes

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why would you say that? The guy has flawless mechanics. And he is not a Met. 2 positive attributes

The human body isn't designed to throw over 100 mph and he was doing it at a young age, the perfect recipe for injury.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why would you say that? The guy has flawless mechanics. And he is not a Met. 2 positive attributes

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The human body isn't designed to throw over 100 mph and he was doing it at a young age, the perfect recipe for injury.

Well at least Dusty Baker doesn't get a chance to get a hold of him, but Jim Riggleman on the other hand is hardly an upgrade.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Well at least Dusty Baker doesn't get a chance to get a hold of him, but Jim Riggleman on the other hand is hardly an upgrade.

Riggleman is on a short leach. It is incredible that teams continue to hire Baker, he makes the same mistakes everywhere he goes...

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Riggleman is on a short leach. It is incredible that teams continue to hire Baker, he makes the same mistakes everywhere he goes...

Dusty Baker Foundation: "Been Ruining Pitchers Since 1993"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The human body isn't designed to throw over 100 mph and he was doing it at a young age, the perfect recipe for injury.

Uh Nolan Ryan? How hard you throw has nothing to do with injuries. Not to mention he is neither young nor has he been overworked. Until he got into shape and straightened out his mechanics he was very ordinary which is why he landed at a B level school like SD State. While the act of throwing a baseball overhand is unnatural, many more injuries are caused either by overuse by ignorant managers, poor mechanics or overrelience on breaking balls.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Uh Nolan Ryan? How hard you throw has nothing to do with injuries. Not to mention he is neither young nor has he been overworked. Until he got into shape and straightened out his mechanics he was very ordinary which is why he landed at a B level school like SD State. While the act of throwing a baseball overhand is unnatural, many more injuries are caused either by overuse by ignorant managers, poor mechanics or overrelience on breaking balls.

Ryan was a hard thrower with amazing durability but his fastest pitch ever was 100.9 and he did that at the age of 27, not as a college kid. He also wasn't regularly hitting 100+ like Strasburg was last year. The real question will be whether the kid can drop back to 97-98 and be as effective. So far in the minors it has been no problem but if he has to rely on a 103 mph fastball to do well in the big leagues his shelf life will be short as a starting pitcher.

[Heels1989]

Criticism of my new favorite player and savior of the Nats - blasphemy

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Ryan was a hard thrower with amazing durability but his fastest pitch ever was 100.9 and he did that at the age of 27, not as a college kid. He also wasn't regularly hitting 100+ like Strasburg was last year. The real question will be whether the kid can drop back to 97-98 and be as effective. So far in the minors it has been no problem but if he has to rely on a 103 mph fastball to do well in the big leagues his shelf life will be short as a starting pitcher.

How do you know what his fastest pitch ever was? There was no public radar readings in the late 60/early 70's when Ryan started. Your inference that somehow Ryan was not throwing that fast when he was Strausburgs age is faulty. Ryan had already pitched over 200 major league innings at the same age that SS is going to debut at as well. There is zero evidence that throwing a baseball a certain mph causes injuries. In fact the fastball is generally considered to be the kindest and most straight forward pitch a player can throw.

I'm not sure why you think that Nolan Ryan wasnt regularly throwing as fast as SS. As for SS, he doesnt rely on throwing the ball over 100 mph. I'm not sure where you got that impression. The guy throws very hard but lives in the 95-98 range with very good breaking balls, a hard slider and slurve. He has even mixed in a little changeup though it may not be ready for too much MLB exposure.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How do you know what his fastest pitch ever was? There was no public radar readings in the late 60/early 70's when Ryan started. Your inference that somehow Ryan was not throwing that fast when he was Strausburgs age is faulty. Ryan had already pitched over 200 major league innings at the same age that SS is going to debut at as well. There is zero evidence that throwing a baseball a certain mph causes injuries. In fact the fastball is generally considered to be the kindest and most straight forward pitch a player can throw.

I'm not sure why you think that Nolan Ryan wasnt regularly throwing as fast as SS. As for SS, he doesnt rely on throwing the ball over 100 mph. I'm not sure where you got that impression. The guy throws very hard but lives in the 95-98 range with very good breaking balls, a hard slider and slurve. He has even mixed in a little changeup though it may not be ready for too much MLB exposure.

That may be true on Ryan, I know he hit 100.9 in 1974 but I don't know what sort of radars they had before that, so maybe he was throwing harder earlier. He was a freak though, we'll have to see if Strasburg is.

So far he is throwing in that range in the minors and if he can do that in the majors and get away with it he will be very good. In college he was throwing much harder and was hitting and exceeding 100 with regularity. If he has to do that in the majors I think he is in trouble.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How do you know what his fastest pitch ever was? There was no public radar readings in the late 60/early 70's when Ryan started. Your inference that somehow Ryan was not throwing that fast when he was Strausburgs age is faulty. Ryan had already pitched over 200 major league innings at the same age that SS is going to debut at as well. There is zero evidence that throwing a baseball a certain mph causes injuries. In fact the fastball is generally considered to be the kindest and most straight forward pitch a player can throw.

I'm not sure why you think that Nolan Ryan wasnt regularly throwing as fast as SS. As for SS, he doesnt rely on throwing the ball over 100 mph. I'm not sure where you got that impression. The guy throws very hard but lives in the 95-98 range with very good breaking balls, a hard slider and slurve. He has even mixed in a little changeup though it may not be ready for too much MLB exposure.

This reminds me of the dumba$$ on ESPN that claimed Bob Feller threw 115 mph. "I work at Cooperstown, and its darn true!"