Public will decide Monmouth's fate

[GoIrish]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Are they bringing back the 50 cent minimum pk 5?
That was a fun bet last year. Should be again with the expected increase in quality and field size.

I believe the answer is YES.

[pointman]

I will continue to play New York and will not play Monmouth personally. If I can make it through the winter playing Aqueduct, then I am not worried about the supposed quality of the product NY will put on. I find it hard to believe that Monmouth will have a significant effect on Saratoga.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by GoIrish

I believe the answer is YES.

Would love to see them bring back the Sixty Minute Six, too.
But I fear that was just a one-year experiment.

[NTamm1215]

There's something really nauseating about Jersey Breds running in an allowance race for 80k.

I know the first card will not be a fair representation of what will happen but that looks like a lot of the same old Monmouth horses running for far too much money.

NT

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There's something really nauseating about Jersey Breds running in an allowance race for 80k.

I know the first card will not be a fair representation of what will happen but that looks like a lot of the same old Monmouth horses running for far too much money.

NT

We had a few NY-bred MSW's for $88,000 at Saratoga last summer. I remembered when I looked at Titletown Tiger's PP's and said when the hell did he earn all that money?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

We had a few NY-bred MSW's for $88,000 at Saratoga last summer. I remembered when I looked at Titletown Tiger's PP's and said when the hell did he earn all that money?

That was an off the turf race on Travers Day, if I remember correctly, so the purse was jacked up because the field stayed big and it was inflated because of the date.

I'm not trying to rain on Monmouth's parade and I'd by absolutely lying if I said I'm not going to bet their races. However, I'm unconvinced that this new setup will be the panacea of Mth and NJ racing. They do have one of the best on-track handicappers, Brad Thomas, in the country. Anyone who hasn't played Monmouth regularly before and will be now should heed his opinions.

NT

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

That was an off the turf race on Travers Day, if I remember correctly, so the purse was jacked up because the field stayed big and it was inflated because of the date.

I'm not trying to rain on Monmouth's parade and I'd by absolutely lying if I said I'm not going to bet their races. However, I'm unconvinced that this new setup will be the panacea of Mth and NJ racing. They do have one of the best on-track handicappers, Brad Thomas, in the country. Anyone who hasn't played Monmouth regularly before and will be now should heed his opinions.

NT

How dare you.

[hockey2315]

This card is crinkle --> trash can worthy.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There's something really nauseating about Jersey Breds running in an allowance race for 80k.

I know the first card will not be a fair representation of what will happen but that looks like a lot of the same old Monmouth horses running for far too much money.

NT

I fail to understand why anyone would care what Jersey breds ran for or why they would think that the horses are running for "far too much money"? I suppose that you could say the same thing about those who complain that professional athletes make too much money or movie stars make too much money yet will still watch the games and go to the movies. Perhaps you are just nauseated that one of those owners and trainers of the jersey breds or other horses on the card may actually make some money for a change for supporting the sport? I suppose that as long as you are providing the purse money via your bets you feel obligated to be critical of purse levels but of course in this case you are only providing a portion of the purse money. I'm sure that seeing that money flow back into the coffers of Donald Trump and company would be a much more heartwarming story.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I fail to understand why anyone would care what Jersey breds ran for or why they would think that the horses are running for "far too much money"? I suppose that you could say the same thing about those who complain that professional athletes make too much money or movie stars make too much money yet will still watch the games and go to the movies. Perhaps you are just nauseated that one of those owners and trainers of the jersey breds or other horses on the card may actually make some money for a change for supporting the sport? I suppose that as long as you are providing the purse money via your bets you feel obligated to be critical of purse levels but of course in this case you are only providing a portion of the purse money. I'm sure that seeing that money flow back into the coffers of Donald Trump and company would be a much more heartwarming story.

I'm entitled to my opinion because I have a pulse.

Don't castigate me for being for open company purses being higher and state bred purses being lower. I understand what you and other people involved in the game go through and I think it's great that the owners and trainers of Jersey breds are going to cash in but realistically, should there not be a limit?

Go look at the first race and tell me if those horses should be running for 40k. As a bettor I am for competitive racing and purses going to horses that fill competitive races. Congratulations on labeling me some type of elitist/pro-rich horseplayer, but yes, I'd rather see the Decathlon and Elkwood for 250k and the Jersey bred races for half of what they are.

NT

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm entitled to my opinion because I have a pulse.

Don't castigate me for being for open company purses being higher and state bred purses being lower. I understand what you and other people involved in the game go through and I think it's great that the owners and trainers of Jersey breds are going to cash in but realistically, should there not be a limit?

Go look at the first race and tell me if those horses should be running for 40k. As a bettor I am for competitive racing and purses going to horses that fill competitive races. Congratulations on labeling me some type of elitist/pro-rich horseplayer, but yes, I'd rather see the Decathlon and Elkwood for 250k and the Jersey bred races for half of what they are.

NT

Who said anything about not having an opinion? I just want to know why you think there should be some imaginary ceiling? Like you get less enjoyment out of cashing a ticket or more frustration out of losing a bet with in your view an exorbitant purse. You do realize that there is a reason in every horseman/track contract there is a clause that determines the % split between overnight and stakes right? You can take offense all you like but I asked a simple question.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who said anything about not having an opinion? I just want to know why you think there should be some imaginary ceiling? Like you get less enjoyment out of cashing a ticket or more frustration out of losing a bet with in your view an exorbitant purse. You do realize that there is a reason in every horseman/track contract there is a clause that determines the % split between overnight and stakes right? You can take offense all you like but I asked a simple question.

Jersey breds have been running for increased purses for years. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I'm almost certain a Jersey bred N1X went for more money last year than an open N1X did at Monmouth. If Monmouth's initiative, with this influx of cash into the purse account is to increase field size which will in turn increase handle then why are the Jersey bred races kicked up so much? Those races generally drew large fields anyway. Now they're expecting the wagering public to swoon over fields of 50k Jersey bred maiden claimers running for a 40k purse?

State bred programs have done some good. I know that you and other people on this board have taken advantage of them in various states. I might be in the minority, but I would prefer open company races carrying larger purses, not the dollar for dollar match that Jersey bred N1X and MSW are vs. open N1X and MSW at Monmouth. Might I be wrong? Sure.

Maybe instead of making sure the J-Breds are so well taken care of the NJSEA can throw some of that coin back at the seasonal employees who took a 40% pay cut this year.

NT

[philcski]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm entitled to my opinion because I have a pulse.

Don't castigate me for being for open company purses being higher and state bred purses being lower. I understand what you and other people involved in the game go through and I think it's great that the owners and trainers of Jersey breds are going to cash in but realistically, should there not be a limit?

Go look at the first race and tell me if those horses should be running for 40k. As a bettor I am for competitive racing and purses going to horses that fill competitive races. Congratulations on labeling me some type of elitist/pro-rich horseplayer, but yes, I'd rather see the Decathlon and Elkwood for 250k and the Jersey bred races for half of what they are.

NT

Why not? Would you prefer they run for $20k just like they always have, so the owner can win a race and still lose money on the year?

What type of fields would the Decathlon and Elkwood get for $250K? Answer: the same ones.

[Kingturf]

I will play Monmouth Park for the season, two points I would like to make; Finally a program card besides Belmont that will have quality races and on real dirt! My second point is; this is a known fact for most people who play Gulfstream Park. Monmouth and Gulfstream Park uses the same dirt composite. Look at many past performance of horses who raced at both tracks. If they fire at GP, they fire at Monmouth.

And one day in the future when Hialeah Park re-opens for TB's this will hold true for Hialeah and Belmont Park.

[keithting]

I am looking forward to an exciting and I think ultimately successful meet at Monmouth.

I believe that the higher purses will bring the quality horses and larger fields that we all prefer to wager on.....

[pick4]

As a horseplayer how can you ignore Monmouth? I looked at the Saturday card and when I get back home in the afternoon that is where my action is going. I totally believe in what they are doing and I'll support it with my wagering $,

[Kingturf]

To all my racing enthusiast friends? One angle we will see this weekend at Monmouth. A horse that competeted in 10k claiming races doing a drop down for 5k claimer. The oldest trick in the book when you can drop down for cheaper because if the horse get claimed for 5k but the winner share of the purse is 18k why not go for the drop? Beware of the sneaky claimer game.

Ole saying goes; the more money around, the more crooked stuff will happen...we are talking about NJ right? lol

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Kingturf

And one day in the future when Hialeah Park re-opens for TB's this will hold true for Hialeah and Belmont Park.

Sounds good.

New Jersey Breds.

Ugh.

[jms62]

This isn't your fathers Monmouth Park. Box car payouts , a pick 5 carry, horses winning from off the pace... IMHO a smashing success.