Public will decide Monmouth's fate

[lemoncrush]

Are they bringing back the 50 cent minimum pk 5?
That was a fun bet last year. Should be again with the expected increase in quality and field size.

[GoIrish]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Are they bringing back the 50 cent minimum pk 5?
That was a fun bet last year. Should be again with the expected increase in quality and field size.

I believe the answer is YES.

[pointman]

I will continue to play New York and will not play Monmouth personally. If I can make it through the winter playing Aqueduct, then I am not worried about the supposed quality of the product NY will put on. I find it hard to believe that Monmouth will have a significant effect on Saratoga.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by GoIrish

I believe the answer is YES.

Would love to see them bring back the Sixty Minute Six, too.
But I fear that was just a one-year experiment.

[NTamm1215]

There's something really nauseating about Jersey Breds running in an allowance race for 80k.

I know the first card will not be a fair representation of what will happen but that looks like a lot of the same old Monmouth horses running for far too much money.

NT

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There's something really nauseating about Jersey Breds running in an allowance race for 80k.

I know the first card will not be a fair representation of what will happen but that looks like a lot of the same old Monmouth horses running for far too much money.

NT

We had a few NY-bred MSW's for $88,000 at Saratoga last summer. I remembered when I looked at Titletown Tiger's PP's and said when the hell did he earn all that money?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

We had a few NY-bred MSW's for $88,000 at Saratoga last summer. I remembered when I looked at Titletown Tiger's PP's and said when the hell did he earn all that money?

That was an off the turf race on Travers Day, if I remember correctly, so the purse was jacked up because the field stayed big and it was inflated because of the date.

I'm not trying to rain on Monmouth's parade and I'd by absolutely lying if I said I'm not going to bet their races. However, I'm unconvinced that this new setup will be the panacea of Mth and NJ racing. They do have one of the best on-track handicappers, Brad Thomas, in the country. Anyone who hasn't played Monmouth regularly before and will be now should heed his opinions.

NT

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

That was an off the turf race on Travers Day, if I remember correctly, so the purse was jacked up because the field stayed big and it was inflated because of the date.

I'm not trying to rain on Monmouth's parade and I'd by absolutely lying if I said I'm not going to bet their races. However, I'm unconvinced that this new setup will be the panacea of Mth and NJ racing. They do have one of the best on-track handicappers, Brad Thomas, in the country. Anyone who hasn't played Monmouth regularly before and will be now should heed his opinions.

NT

How dare you.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There's something really nauseating about Jersey Breds running in an allowance race for 80k.

I know the first card will not be a fair representation of what will happen but that looks like a lot of the same old Monmouth horses running for far too much money.

NT

I fail to understand why anyone would care what Jersey breds ran for or why they would think that the horses are running for "far too much money"? I suppose that you could say the same thing about those who complain that professional athletes make too much money or movie stars make too much money yet will still watch the games and go to the movies. Perhaps you are just nauseated that one of those owners and trainers of the jersey breds or other horses on the card may actually make some money for a change for supporting the sport? I suppose that as long as you are providing the purse money via your bets you feel obligated to be critical of purse levels but of course in this case you are only providing a portion of the purse money. I'm sure that seeing that money flow back into the coffers of Donald Trump and company would be a much more heartwarming story.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I fail to understand why anyone would care what Jersey breds ran for or why they would think that the horses are running for "far too much money"? I suppose that you could say the same thing about those who complain that professional athletes make too much money or movie stars make too much money yet will still watch the games and go to the movies. Perhaps you are just nauseated that one of those owners and trainers of the jersey breds or other horses on the card may actually make some money for a change for supporting the sport? I suppose that as long as you are providing the purse money via your bets you feel obligated to be critical of purse levels but of course in this case you are only providing a portion of the purse money. I'm sure that seeing that money flow back into the coffers of Donald Trump and company would be a much more heartwarming story.

I'm entitled to my opinion because I have a pulse.

Don't castigate me for being for open company purses being higher and state bred purses being lower. I understand what you and other people involved in the game go through and I think it's great that the owners and trainers of Jersey breds are going to cash in but realistically, should there not be a limit?

Go look at the first race and tell me if those horses should be running for 40k. As a bettor I am for competitive racing and purses going to horses that fill competitive races. Congratulations on labeling me some type of elitist/pro-rich horseplayer, but yes, I'd rather see the Decathlon and Elkwood for 250k and the Jersey bred races for half of what they are.

NT

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm entitled to my opinion because I have a pulse.

Don't castigate me for being for open company purses being higher and state bred purses being lower. I understand what you and other people involved in the game go through and I think it's great that the owners and trainers of Jersey breds are going to cash in but realistically, should there not be a limit?

Go look at the first race and tell me if those horses should be running for 40k. As a bettor I am for competitive racing and purses going to horses that fill competitive races. Congratulations on labeling me some type of elitist/pro-rich horseplayer, but yes, I'd rather see the Decathlon and Elkwood for 250k and the Jersey bred races for half of what they are.

NT

Who said anything about not having an opinion? I just want to know why you think there should be some imaginary ceiling? Like you get less enjoyment out of cashing a ticket or more frustration out of losing a bet with in your view an exorbitant purse. You do realize that there is a reason in every horseman/track contract there is a clause that determines the % split between overnight and stakes right? You can take offense all you like but I asked a simple question.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm entitled to my opinion because I have a pulse.

Don't castigate me for being for open company purses being higher and state bred purses being lower. I understand what you and other people involved in the game go through and I think it's great that the owners and trainers of Jersey breds are going to cash in but realistically, should there not be a limit?

Go look at the first race and tell me if those horses should be running for 40k. As a bettor I am for competitive racing and purses going to horses that fill competitive races. Congratulations on labeling me some type of elitist/pro-rich horseplayer, but yes, I'd rather see the Decathlon and Elkwood for 250k and the Jersey bred races for half of what they are.

NT

Why not? Would you prefer they run for $20k just like they always have, so the owner can win a race and still lose money on the year?

What type of fields would the Decathlon and Elkwood get for $250K? Answer: the same ones.

[Kingturf]

I will play Monmouth Park for the season, two points I would like to make; Finally a program card besides Belmont that will have quality races and on real dirt! My second point is; this is a known fact for most people who play Gulfstream Park. Monmouth and Gulfstream Park uses the same dirt composite. Look at many past performance of horses who raced at both tracks. If they fire at GP, they fire at Monmouth.

And one day in the future when Hialeah Park re-opens for TB's this will hold true for Hialeah and Belmont Park.

[keithting]

I am looking forward to an exciting and I think ultimately successful meet at Monmouth.

I believe that the higher purses will bring the quality horses and larger fields that we all prefer to wager on.....

[pick4]

As a horseplayer how can you ignore Monmouth? I looked at the Saturday card and when I get back home in the afternoon that is where my action is going. I totally believe in what they are doing and I'll support it with my wagering $,

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Kingturf

And one day in the future when Hialeah Park re-opens for TB's this will hold true for Hialeah and Belmont Park.

Sounds good.

New Jersey Breds.

Ugh.

[jms62]

This isn't your fathers Monmouth Park. Box car payouts , a pick 5 carry, horses winning from off the pace... IMHO a smashing success.

[Travis Stone]

Field size generally trumps quality, unless you're talking about big guns and major stakes. Timing and exposure (post time) trumps quality as well, although not as effectively.

I think you can look at it this way... Imagine there's 10 minutes to post at Belmont, and 16 minutes to post at Monmouth. Belmont is a field of 9, Monmouth is maxed-out at 14. Are people going to skip the Belmont race and play Monmouth? No, they'll play both, just like they always have.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Field size generally trumps quality, unless you're talking about big guns and major stakes. Timing and exposure (post time) trumps quality as well, although not as effectively.

I think you can look at it this way... Imagine there's 10 minutes to post at Belmont, and 16 minutes to post at Monmouth. Belmont is a field of 9, Monmouth is maxed-out at 14. Are people going to skip the Belmont race and play Monmouth? No, they'll play both, just like they always have.

Here's what's escaping most of the racing GURUS:

MTH is operating, essentially, thurs, friday, saturday, and sunday

which is basically when MOST other tracks are also running

MOREVER

they're running at the same time that a whole bunch of tracks are

Now, I don't know where these GURUS are residing but if they think that HIGHER QUALITY HORSES and LARGER FIELDS will make a significant difference, they're mistaken. Nobody from NY is going to make the drive to MTH and MTH will be just ONE MORE track that anyone playing multiple tracks will have to deal with. When it comes to betting, better horses and larger fields (or better purses) doesn't NECESSARILY translate to MISMATCHES (especially on SPEED FAVORING bullring like tracks). I could give a **** how good the horses are; what I'm concerned with is finding races where I have an advantage. And, I suspect, anyone playing the game seriously is looking for the same thing. Moreover, anyone who is not computer generating plays will be forced to either ADD MTH to the HIGH NUMBER of tracks they already play or just IGNORE THEM. I'm going with the latter. Frankly, there are much better betting options at CHEAPER but FAIR tracks elsewhere.

You'd think that tracks would get a ****in clue and spread out their days/time of operation. I'm overloaded with 10 or so tracks on weekends, during the day, and basically play with myself the rest of the week because there are no tracks operating.

MTH must be counting on ON TRACK handle. Which means they're still in 1970's/1980's mode.