Discreet Cat's BC Plans Announced

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I hope you didn't just compare the Commonwealth BC to the BC Sprint.

And Discreet Cat is too fast to close. He'll be up there running a :21 quarter with all of them if they're insane enough to put him in the Sprint.

This is a completely different situation than Ghostzapper's. Ghostzapper had already won the Classic, and had already won HOY. There was no reason to bring him back. They brought him back to try to showcase his talent, then realized it wasn't worth the risk once he hurt himself.

Discreet Cat hasn't done anything yet. He won the UAE Derby and The Jerome. That's it. There's absolutely no incentive to run him once next year and retire him.

It's not about losing the BC race. It's about possibly losing the horse.

You're worried about not seeing him next year. I'd say there's a much bigger chance this fear will become reality if he's in this year's BC than if he isn't.

My dad said to me a long time ago......."if u are scared, buy a dog." This game is not for the faint of heart. U can't start ducking from races because u are scared a horse will get hurt. They can get hurt or die at any time. Look at Saint Liam. A seemingly perfect horse that's never shown any signs of problems can take a bad step and it can all be over. Think of Go for Wand or Barbaro. Should they never run in another race with Discreet Cat because of the possibility that he can be lost?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

My dad said to me a long time ago......."if u are scared, buy a dog." This game is not for the faint of heart. U can't start ducking from races because u are scared a horse will get hurt. They can get hurt or die at any time. Look at Saint Liam. A seemingly perfect horse that's never shown any signs of problems can take a bad step and it can all be over. Think of Go for Wand or Barbaro. Should they never run in another race with Discreet Cat because of the possibility that he can be lost?

Man, stop with that nonsense. It's about being smart with the horse. It's just plain dumb to go from facing Rumspringa at seven furlongs and Valid Notebook at a one-turn mile to facing the best horses in the world at six furlongs or ten. Period.

That's how you ruin a horse.

If they ducked the Cigar Mile, then I'd be on your side. But skipping the BC is just logical and levelheaded.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

The Cigar Mile really would be the optimum spot for this horse. I even said that he should go in the Cigar Mile before his race today. Besides, a matchup between Silver Train and Discreet Cat would be something that I would absolutely love to see. All I have to do is wait a little longer to see the monster run again...

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Can Godolphin keep Humpty Dumpty together? Sure the ideal situation would be to go light this year and campaign for HOY next year culminating in the BCC, but it seems that its only a matter of time before this horse gets injured again. No it's not best to go into the BC off these two races, but he's healthy right now - who knows what his condition will be 13 months from now.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Man, stop with that nonsense. It's about being smart with the horse. It's just plain dumb to go from facing Rumspringa at seven furlongs and Valid Notebook at a one-turn mile to facing the best horses in the world at six furlongs or ten. Period.

That's how you ruin a horse.

If they ducked the Cigar Mile, then I'd be on your side. But skipping the BC is just logical and levelheaded.

U are right. It does make sense to skip the BC and go on and challenge the reigning BC Sprint champion Silver Train in his next start. That matchup with Silver Train would be a much easier race to win. He wouldn't have to use much effort at all. I mean, since it's inception, 16 of the 17 runnings of the Cigar have been sub-1:35, including seven that were sub-1:34. That's not taxing at all. I'm sure the effort needed by him to beat Silver Train (four of his last six Beyer's have been 110+, his last two miles have been 110 and 112) would be much less than what would be needed to step up to win the BC Mile.

Newsflash. His next race is going to be a much harder one than what he's been facing. Doesn't matter if it's the BC Mile or the Cigar Mile. The BC Mile would just be more horses to beat but the effort needed is going to be nearly the same either way. He's more than likely going to have to run a 1:33 and change race in either spot.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Newsflash. His next race is going to be a much harder one than what he's been facing. Doesn't matter if it's the BC Mile or the Cigar Mile. The BC Mile would just be more horses to beat but the effort needed is going to be nearly the same either way. He's more than likely going to have to run a 1:33 and change race in either spot.

Well King, I'm glad to see you have returned this thread to the ridiculous by comparing the times of dirt and turf races as though there is some relevence.

Keep up the good, or should I say ridiculous, work.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

U are right. It does make sense to skip the BC and go on and challenge the reigning BC Sprint champion Silver Train in his next start. That matchup with Silver Train would be a much easier race to win. He wouldn't have to use much effort at all. I mean, since it's inception, 16 of the 17 runnings of the Cigar have been sub-1:35, including seven that were sub-1:34. That's not taxing at all. I'm sure the effort needed by him to beat Silver Train (four of his last six Beyer's have been 110+, his last two miles have been 110 and 112) would be much less than what would be needed to step up to win the BC Mile.

Newsflash. His next race is going to be a much harder one than what he's been facing. Doesn't matter if it's the BC Mile or the Cigar Mile. The BC Mile would just be more horses to beat but the effort needed is going to be nearly the same either way. He's more than likely going to have to run a 1:33 and change race in either spot.

Wow, you're so spot on. Going against Silver Train at a mile off an eight-week break IS the same as facing Henny Hughes, Commentator, War Front, Pomeroy, Siren Lure and Too Much Bling at six furlongs off five weeks! It's also the same as going against Bernardini, Invasor, Lava Man and Sun King at ten furlongs off five weeks! Thanks for pointing that out!

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Wow, you're so spot on. Going against Silver Train at a mile off an eight-week break IS the same as facing Henny Hughes, Commentator, War Front, Pomeroy, Siren Lure and Too Much Bling at six furlongs off five weeks! It's also the same as going against Bernardini, Invasor, Lava Man and Sun King at ten furlongs off five weeks! Thanks for pointing that out!

First, I've never said he should run in the Sprint. I've said that I DO NOT THINK he is fast enough to win the Sprint. So that shouldn't even be a part of this conversation.

Second, look at the four horses u mentioned for the Classic. Sun King has never won a grade one race either and never won at 10f so he's in the same boat at Discreet Cat. Lava Man is still completely unproven outside of California. Even his trainer has voiced some concern over how we'll he'll do. He's already BEATEN Invasor and that horse will be coming in off of a 13-week layoff. The only one that should be a real concern is Bernardini.

I said the Mile or the Classic, preferrably the Mile. I didn't say the Sprint.

[ateamstupid]

Sorry.

Facing Silver Train off eight weeks at a mile on dirt is the same as facing George Washington, Araafa, Aragorn, Ashkal Way, Gorella, Showing Up, and Librettist off five weeks on a surface he's never tried before.

Thanks for correcting me. The Mile would be much easier than the Sprint.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Sorry.

Facing Silver Train off eight weeks at a mile on dirt is the same as facing George Washington, Araafa, Aragorn, Ashkal Way, Gorella, Showing Up, and Librettist off five weeks on a surface he's never tried before.

Thanks for correcting me. The Mile would be much easier than the Sprint.

George Washington, Araafa, Aragorn, and Showing Up. All really good horses. No hall of famers in the bunch that would scare me off though. Gorella is still looking at the F/M Turf so she might not be there. Ashkal Way has been all out to beat lesser in his last couple and Librettist came out of his last work lame. Also, Ashkal Way and Librettist are both Godolphin horses so they likely wouldn't be there if Discreet Cat was.

Either way, the depth of the fields faced is not even important. He'd have to run hard to beat Aragorn in the Mile. Or to beat Araafa. Or George Washington. Just like he'd have to run hard to beat Silver Train. In fact, he might even have to run HARDER to beat Silver Train than he would have had to run in the Mile.