Stan Bergstein of DRF doesn't like Calvin Borel

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

perhaps you had a bet on Macho again?

The whips that they are using are padded. 100 swats with the new whip doesnt equal 2 with the old. But why would anyone care about the facts?

Buzzz. I had no bets in the race. And I was rooting for Rachel. I have posted numerous times on here about excessive whipping incidents...I did not see closeups for the Derby. This is the first I've heard of it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Buzzz. I had no bets in the race. And I was rooting for Rachel. I have posted numerous times on here about excessive whipping incidents...I did not see closeups for the Derby. This is the first I've heard of it.

Of course you didnt notice it because wasnt isnt an issue. When you are trying to win whipping should hardly be an issue. Where I have an issue with whipping is when horses who are hopelessly beaten are flogged because the rider is pissed at them. But in a sport where billions of dollars are bet on the outcome, the entire theory of whipping too much is foreign to me. As I said the use of the new whips should make any whipping controversy moot.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Of course you didnt notice it because wasnt isnt an issue. When you are trying to win whipping should hardly be an issue. Where I have an issue with whipping is when horses who are hopelessly beaten are flogged because the rider is pissed at them. But in a sport where billions of dollars are bet on the outcome, the entire theory of whipping too much is foreign to me. As I said the use of the new whips should make any whipping controversy moot.

a man with some common sense..........i'd like to see this guys tickets, he may of had ice box because this sounds like sour grapes. the whips are not like they used to be and it is a horse race for crying out loud. to the people that don't like it...free country ,don't bet or go join PETA.....maybe the horse should ride on the back of the jockey? what society we live in

[MISTERGEE]

he probably doesnt bet

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Of course you didnt notice it because wasnt isnt an issue. When you are trying to win whipping should hardly be an issue. Where I have an issue with whipping is when horses who are hopelessly beaten are flogged because the rider is pissed at them. But in a sport where billions of dollars are bet on the outcome, the entire theory of whipping too much is foreign to me. As I said the use of the new whips should make any whipping controversy moot.

I hear countless track and field athletes talk about holding their 'form' during key points of their events. Hurdlers, for example, tend to break down towards the end of their races, as do sprinters, as their mechanics fall apart. Now, if you ever watch Dominguez ride, he rarely goes to the whip -- in relation to other jocks. Because he usually give good rides, his horses have enough in the stretch to be able to give their all without being abused. Clearly, you've watched enough races to have seen many cases where jocks are hitting a horse and it's drifting in, then drifting out, etc., doing everything BUT running straight, which, after all, is the objective. There's no doubt in my mind that whipping is absolutely excessive presently. More races are lost, IMO, than are won as a result of whipping. Jocks need to help horses retain their 'form' when they're tiring rather than beat them up so that they stagger like drunks, unable to keep straight paths. Any hack can hammer away with the whip; only a few jocks are good enough to help a horse to the wire.

There was a race a few weeks ago where one of the Allens was on the favorite, a speed horse. The horse broke from the outside gate and stumbled a bit while also dunking out at the start. As the poor thing is trying to get it's footing, Allen is beating on it with the whip, as he's expecting early kick. The horse won but that wasn't really the point. Or was it?

[MaTH716]

Sounds like he is making a play to be on the yearly "Let's discuss everything wrong with racing panel" usually taking place on national TV during the Preakness telecast.