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NTamm1215 05-04-2010 04:14 PM

Stan Bergstein of DRF doesn't like Calvin Borel
 
This is a DRF Plus article but I'm posting it anyway. If I get in trouble with DRF I'll become a Brisnet guy.

Cheering this Derby win too much of a stretch
By Stan Bergstein

FULL ARTICLE: http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do?NID=112681

TUCSON, Ariz. - Hi, it's the old tree-hugger checking in.

I dislike interrupting parades or anointments or deifications, and I am particularly averse to disturbing the canonization of saints. So as hesitant as I am about stepping in where angels fear to tread, I regretfully cannot join the millions celebrating the elevation of Calvin Borel to sanctity, and must cast a lone vote of disapproval of his use of the whip with Super Saver.

I was not one of the announced crowd of 155,804 enraptured by the wild cavorting of Borel as he raised his arms and thumped his chest and slapped hands with every groom and outrider in sight, in ecstasy over his third Derby win in four years.

I understand all of that overwhelming happiness, but I was not one of the millions who joined in the joyful celebration of his rail-riding skills. The punishment he administered to his mount in the last eighth of a mile dulled my enjoyment of all that. I had cleaned the screen on my home TV to make sure I had a clear picture, and I counted eight hard blows in the final eighth and at least 14 from the head of the stretch to the wire. I may have missed a few before Borel and Super Saver cleared the pack, but he worked the colt over pretty good.

slotdirt 05-04-2010 04:17 PM

Who is this clown?

Cannon Shell 05-04-2010 04:18 PM

Stan has lost his marbles...

randallscott35 05-04-2010 04:18 PM

wow, but i have to say I thought he hit Rachel too much in the Woodward.

NTamm1215 05-04-2010 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 644086)
Stan has lost his marbles...

Chuck, I know this conversation has been brought up here before, but doesn't Borel use a crop? If so, I've seen them up close and there's no way they could administer a "beating" to a horse.

NT

Cannon Shell 05-04-2010 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 644087)
wow, but i have to say I thought he hit Rachel too much in the Woodward.

perhaps you had a bet on Macho again?

The whips that they are using are padded. 100 swats with the new whip doesnt equal 2 with the old. But why would anyone care about the facts?

randallscott35 05-04-2010 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 644089)
perhaps you had a bet on Macho again?

The whips that they are using are padded. 100 swats with the new whip doesnt equal 2 with the old. But why would anyone care about the facts?

Buzzz. I had no bets in the race. And I was rooting for Rachel. I have posted numerous times on here about excessive whipping incidents...I did not see closeups for the Derby. This is the first I've heard of it.

Coach Pants 05-04-2010 04:22 PM

What a p.ussy.

Cannon Shell 05-04-2010 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 644088)
Chuck, I know this conversation has been brought up here before, but doesn't Borel use a crop? If so, I've seen them up close and there's no way they could administer a "beating" to a horse.

NT

The new whips they are using can hardly mark a humans skin. Horses hide is much thicker. Honestly the whole whip controversy is just another sign of the pussification of society.

slotdirt 05-04-2010 04:23 PM

Ol' Stan oughtta head to a hunter/jumper show sometime and take a look at the spurs riders use to get horses to jump five and six feet fences. It would blow his mind.

Cannon Shell 05-04-2010 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 644091)
Buzzz. I had no bets in the race. And I was rooting for Rachel. I have posted numerous times on here about excessive whipping incidents...I did not see closeups for the Derby. This is the first I've heard of it.

Of course you didnt notice it because wasnt isnt an issue. When you are trying to win whipping should hardly be an issue. Where I have an issue with whipping is when horses who are hopelessly beaten are flogged because the rider is pissed at them. But in a sport where billions of dollars are bet on the outcome, the entire theory of whipping too much is foreign to me. As I said the use of the new whips should make any whipping controversy moot.

randallscott35 05-04-2010 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 644093)
The new whips they are using can hardly mark a humans skin. Horses hide is much thicker. Honestly the whole whip controversy is just another sign of the pussification of society.

Yes the new ones don't. Can't say that for the old ones....And I'm not against the whip, I'm against excessive whipping....not saying he did it on Sat as I didn't notice.

AeWingnut 05-04-2010 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 644092)
What a p.ussy.

agreed


I think he already had the article written he just was waiting to insert name(s) here.

TouchOfGrey 05-04-2010 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 644089)
The whips that they are using are padded. 100 swats with the new whip doesnt equal 2 with the old. But why would anyone care about the facts?

A comparison of old vs new crops: Anatomy of the Whips

KirisClown 05-04-2010 04:46 PM

The worst post-derby article I've read...

This guy should go back and count how many times all of the past Derby winners have been hit with the whip..

ARyan 05-04-2010 05:15 PM

What a joke...

Left Bank 05-04-2010 05:23 PM

I would have understood if this was written by a woman,but this guy should just stay away from racing.

the_fat_man 05-04-2010 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 644093)
The new whips they are using can hardly mark a humans skin. Horses hide is much thicker. Honestly the whole whip controversy is just another sign of the pussification of society.

Yeah. I mean what's next to go: geld 'em as soon as you get 'em? We wouldn't want that. :rolleyes: And, then, maybe they'd want horses trained to run behind/between rather than outside and, heaven forbid, on the rail. Why in the world would we want them saving ground? We need them to be extra tried when we whip the **** out them in the lane.

I mean, these are long time track truisms that need to be held on to.

Danzig 05-04-2010 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Left Bank (Post 644127)
I would have understood if this was written by a woman,but this guy should just stay away from racing.


:rolleyes:

Cannon Shell 05-04-2010 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 644129)
Yeah. I mean what's next to go: geld 'em as soon as you get 'em? We wouldn't want that. :rolleyes: And, then, maybe they'd want horses trained to run behind/between rather than outside and, heaven forbid, on the rail. Why in the world would we want them saving ground? We need them to be extra tried when we whip the **** out them in the lane.

I mean, these are long time track truisms that need to be held on to.

Gelding horses is humane for the horse. Horses arent "trained" to save ground, jockeys are.


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