Obama: Arizona law securing borders is "misguided"

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It is misguided you fugging idiot. People like you cry about the gov't "taking over your lives," but now you think it's cool for the cops to knock on doors and interrogate people looking for immigrants.

And keep shouting about November, as if the Republicans are going to get major gains running on platforms of no ideas and less ideas.

Well..they will..only because every political party since forever makes major gains in the in between election of a sitting President whose party smoked the other previously. Except the Repubs will proclaim it's an indictment of the sitting anti-christ President and proceed to declare The Second Amendment includes shooting Democrats.

And then Obama will still win in 2012 and they will be forced to review the video of Chappequidik yet one more time.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Well..they will..only because every political party since forever makes major gains in the in between election of a sitting President whose party smoked the other previously. Except the Repubs will proclaim it's an indictment of the sitting anti-christ President and proceed to declare The Second Amendment includes shooting Democrats.

And then Obama will still win in 2012 and they will be forced to review the video of Chappequidik yet one more time.

They'll pick up seats but I think the democrats will still have majorities. And that's really all we need in order to keep destroying America and eventually take everyone's guns away and use them for abortions.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

They'll pick up seats but I think the democrats will still have majorities. And that's really all we need in order to keep destroying America and eventually take everyone's guns away and use them for abortions.

But..isn't that OK because of the 2nd Amendment

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

d eventually take everyone's guns away and use them for abortions.

*fingers crossed!*

[Danzig]

What am I missing about this law? It is against the law to be here illegally, right? If a policeman pulls you over and suspects you're drunk, he acts accordingly. Nervous? Maybe he suspects drugs or a gun. So he requests a search. You can refuse any of those. Again, he will act accordingly. But there's a problem if he attempts to ascertain if you're breaking an immigration law? Why?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

What am I missing about this law? It is against the law to be here illegally, right? If a policeman pulls you over and suspects you're drunk, he acts accordingly. Nervous? Maybe he suspects drugs or a gun. So he requests a search. You can refuse any of those. Again, he will act accordingly. But there's a problem if he attempts to ascertain if you're breaking an immigration law? Why?

I completely agree with you. You have these liberals that are up in arms about the law being enforced. What is wrong with enforcing the law? That being said, I agree with Obama that reform is needed. It makes no sense to call people "illegal aliens" and then treat them as if they are totally legal.

If we need these immigrants here (and we probably do need most of them), then we should make it legal for them to be here. The current situation makes no sense. We call these people illegal aliens and then allow them to stay here. It makes no sense. If we are going to allow them to stay here, then we should make it legal for them to be here.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Danzig

What am I missing about this law? It is against the law to be here illegally, right? If a policeman pulls you over and suspects you're drunk, he acts accordingly. Nervous? Maybe he suspects drugs or a gun. So he requests a search. You can refuse any of those. Again, he will act accordingly. But there's a problem if he attempts to ascertain if you're breaking an immigration law? Why?

just moving this forward. i didn't get an answer from anyone on why the feds, mexico, or anyone else should be up in arms about this law. it wasn't a rhetorical question-i really want to know why this is a bad law, or misinformed, etc.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just moving this forward. i didn't get an answer from anyone on why the feds, mexico, or anyone else should be up in arms about this law. it wasn't a rhetorical question-i really want to know why this is a bad law, or misinformed, etc.

How about this: Your state can make it state law that it's a crime to not pay your federal income taxes. The wording can duplicate federal law. They can include a provision allowing them (the state) to look at and review your federal income tax return at their discretion, and for them to notify the IRS if the state workers thought your federal return wasn't accurate. Do you think that is constitutional?

The federal government controls immigration, not states. Our governmental system says a state doesn't have the right to intrude in federal law.

A example would be desegregation and the integration of schools. Federal law supercedes state law. And the feds will send in the troops to prove it (some states apparently didn't learn that from the Civil War)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

How about this: Your state can make it state law that it's a crime to not pay your federal income taxes. The wording can duplicate federal law. They can include a provision allowing them (the state) to look at and review your federal income tax return at their discretion, and for them to notify the IRS if the state workers thought your federal return wasn't accurate. Do you think that is constitutional?

The federal government controls immigration, not states. Our governmental system says a state doesn't have the right to intrude in federal law.

A example would be desegregation and the integration of schools. Federal law supercedes state law. And the feds will send in the troops to prove it (some states apparently didn't learn that from the Civil War)

not much of an analogy, since paying federal taxes isn't illegal, but being an illegal immigrant is just that. as for the feds being in charge, if the fibbies are looking for someone on their most wanted list, and a sherriff arrests him, they don't have a problem with that. az didn't change any laws, they just said if a cop has a suspicion, he is to question-which is the same thing they do if they suspect drunkenness, drug use, etc.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just moving this forward. i didn't get an answer from anyone on why the feds, mexico, or anyone else should be up in arms about this law. it wasn't a rhetorical question-i really want to know why this is a bad law, or misinformed, etc.

What a mess. Anyone who agrees with the State of Arizona is going to be called a racist, and the politicians in Washington are squirming in their seats and loosening their tie for fear of messing with Hispanic votes.

Here's an interesting read:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Rep...s-Must-Do-More

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

What a mess. Anyone who agrees with the State of Arizona is going to be called a racist, and the politicians in Washington are squirming in their seats and loosening their tie for fear of messing with Hispanic votes.

Too bad John McCain hasn't done anything about immigration in the past 28 years he's been a politician.

Too bad Arizona didn't do anything with it's "illegal to hire an illegal" law they passed previously.

Racist? I doubt many non-brown people who don't have a drivers license when requested will be asked to produce proof of American citizenship or legal visa, etc. A third of Arizona is brown people, btw.

It's unfortunately a bit parallel to Nazi Germany, however. American citizens having to carry and produce their "papers" upon demand or "suspicion"? Specific provisions to anonymously report someone you suspect of harboring or helping or hiring illegals? Bet the soup kitchens for the homeless will love that one.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just moving this forward. i didn't get an answer from anyone on why the feds, mexico, or anyone else should be up in arms about this law. it wasn't a rhetorical question-i really want to know why this is a bad law, or misinformed, etc.

See this:

Stipulates that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.


Now, how do you make sure that cops will follow this part? .

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

See this:

Stipulates that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.


Now, how do you make sure that cops will follow this part? .

the arizona legislature is working on passing a rehabilitation bill removing the word "solely".

they know as worded it wouldn't get past even this supreme court.

ignoring the actual issue of immigration, the only thing dem's could have asked in terms of electoral politics is that arizona waited until september to pass this bill.

this doesn't play into the republican narrative for november at all. they already have the pissed off white folk vote nailed down. the last thing they needed was doofus arizona legislator's handing brown people another reason to go out and vote again.

i still think hispanics could be an important part of the republican base if they'd just get out of the habit of constantly reminding them how much they're not wanted.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

See this:

Stipulates that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.


Now, how do you make sure that cops will follow this part? .

Reminds me of the seatbelt law in NY. When they wanted it passed, they promised the cops wouldn't pull anyone over just for not wearing a seatbelt. HAR! You will get pulled over just for not wearing a seatbelt, in fact, you will get pulled over for no reason at all if the cops feel like pulling you over. As for the jobs Americans won't do... cut off welfare from some of the scammers in this country and you will be surprised at the jobs they will do. Unfortunately (fortunately?) most of the illegals coming into this country for work bring something with them that seems to be in short supply here. It's called "work ethic".