Glenn Beck

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Wow.

Just wow.

Someone who says something like that should not be given even one ounce of credibility when talking about race or racism. And I'd assume calling someone homophobic is the same as calling a gay person a fag, right?

Just to be sure,Brian....Do you speak from and for the gay perspective? Should everything a person says be run through the various "filters"?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Just to be sure,Brian....Do you speak from and for the gay perspective? Should everything a person says be run through the various "filters"?

I am speaking for me in wondering how much P. Doreen wants to own the entirely racist idea that "calling someone a racist is the same as calling a black person the 'N' word."

No more, no less.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I am speaking for me in wondering how much P. Doreen wants to own the entirely racist idea that "calling someone a racist is the same as calling a black person the 'N' word."

No more, no less.

It's a ridiculous segue to the gay thing, but that's what you've been doing for years!....Hence,my question

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

It's a ridiculous segue to the gay thing, but that's what you've been doing for years!....Hence,my question

Why is it ridiculous? Please explain where the analogy is faulty. The analogy is pretty perfect actually.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Why is it ridiculous? Please explain where the analogy is faulty. The analogy is pretty perfect actually.

I think your logic is twisted...that's why I asked if you considered yourself to be speaking for the movement, or something personal. You paint people with a broad brush when you disagree with them, and I think it is disengenous of you.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I think your logic is twisted...that's why I asked if you considered yourself to be speaking for the movement, or something personal. You paint people with a broad brush when you disagree with them, and I think it is disengenous of you.

What "broad brush" did I paint Doreen with? Please tell me. I asked a simple question, based on the disgusting idea that the word "racist" and the "N" word are somehow equal.

An idea that is frankly disgusting. That's no broad brush. That's a comment on a comment left by someone else.

And I don't assume that you speak for every privileged, white, heterosexual male when you make a comment, so why would you assume that I'm speaking for anyone but myself here? Anyone could've made the homophobic=fag comment, because it used the same logic that Doreen's wonderful comment used, but you're able to brush it off because it was *me* who said it. And this may surprise you, but "oh you always bring it to the gay thing," simply because of who I am, is a pretty typical, well-worn silencing technique used towards any criticism. It happens all the time to women, people of color, gays, any marginalized group...'oh why do you always have to make it about you?'

I don't expect you to believe that, or even read it thoughtfully from where you're standing, however.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

What "broad brush" did I paint Doreen with? Please tell me. I asked a simple question, based on the disgusting idea that the word "racist" and the "N" word are somehow equal.

An idea that is frankly disgusting. That's no broad brush. That's a comment on a comment left by someone else.

And I don't assume that you speak for every privileged, white, heterosexual male when you make a comment, so why would you assume that I'm speaking for anyone but myself here? Anyone could've made the homophobic=fag comment, because it used the same logic that Doreen's wonderful comment used, but you're able to brush it off because it was *me* who said it. And this may surprise you, but "oh you always bring it to the gay thing," simply because of who I am, is a pretty typical, well-worn silencing technique used towards any criticism. It happens all the time to women, people of color, gays, any marginalized group...'oh why do you always have to make it about you?'

I don't expect you to believe that, or even read it thoughtfully from where you're standing, however.

I asked you because I truly wondered. If you want to "pigeonhole" me with whatever dregs you consider to be evil, that's up to you. I don't need techniques to silence you...you can say your peace and be done with it,but probably not.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I am speaking for me in wondering how much P. Doreen wants to own the entirely racist idea that "calling someone a racist is the same as calling a black person the 'N' word."

No more, no less.

Sorry to be so late back at the party, but I have to sleep sometime.

It's a horrible accusation - calling someone a racist. Not only is it akin to calling a black person the "N" word, it's akin to calling someone a Nazi. A racist is all about hate and thinking they're better than anyone else. It has a meaning all its own. If you can't figure that out, then you're just too lazy to find a better word to call someone who doesn't agree with your opinions about the vaunted PREZBO.

Obama is a terrible President. He's dragging this country down to 3rd World level. That's how I view it. But, somehow, someway, the bootlickers who cling steadily to this snake oil salesman will spin it into saying my underlying meaning is that I'm a racist. Why? Because that's the lowest blow they can deliver - they have no other weapon.

What is probably the worst part about President Obama is that he is creating a chasm between the political parties and citizens of this nation - far worse than any President I have ever lived through.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I am speaking for me in wondering how much P. Doreen wants to own the entirely racist idea that "calling someone a racist is the same as calling a black person the 'N' word."

No more, no less.

some people get very offended when they are called a racist and they are not actually a racist.

Of course I dont think its on the same level as calling a black person the "n" word.. but both parties get offended when being called those terms.

I think that is what she was referring to.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

some people get very offended when they are called a racist and they are not actually a racist.

Of course I dont think its on the same level as calling a black person the "n" word.. but both parties get offended when being called those terms.

I think that is what she was referring to.

Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from. However, I do equate both terms on the same level. Calling a black person the "N" word and calling someone the "R" word is all about HATE.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from. However, I do equate both terms on the same level. Calling a black person the "N" word and calling someone the "R" word is all about HATE.

that is a very good point. hate and ignorance.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from. However, I do equate both terms on the same level. Calling a black person the "N" word and calling someone the "R" word is all about HATE.

Wouldn't you admit that it is sometimes accurate - and therefore perfectly acceptable - to call a person a racist?
Do you think it is ever acceptable to call a person a n****r?
If not, does it really make sense to equate the two?

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Wouldn't you admit that it is sometimes accurate - and therefore perfectly acceptable - to call a person a racist?
Do you think it is ever acceptable to call a person a n****r?
If not, does it really make sense to equate the two?

I've already stated that falsely labelling someone a racist is all about HATE and a total misunderstanding of what the words "racist" and "racism" truly mean.

Saying a Nazi, a member of the KKK, a member of the Aryan Nation, or any hate group is a racist is accurate.

The "N" word is a despicable word. It was even way back when I was a kid growing up many decades ago. I find it incongruous that some black people use that word frequently - even in rap songs.

[Danzig]

i don't think calling someone racist who exhibits all the traits of being one is about hate. i do however find racist or sexist slurs to be exclusively about hate.
i find it funny when one side says the other is a kool aid drinker, but their side is all about the truth. if both sides say that, don't they cancel each other out??? democrat supporters say the exact same thing as republican supporters-and vice versa, it's really hilarious. bush was destroying the country, and now obama is the evil puppet on a string. obama supporters quickly say it's not all obamas fault when things go wrong, but it's all because of him when things go right-but they said all things bad were bushes fault, and that he did nothing right when he was in there. nothing original about any of this. but each side is sooo adamant about their party being the correct one.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Saying a Nazi, a member of the KKK, a member of the Aryan Nation, or any hate group is a racist is accurate.

True, but it is really inaccurate to limit racism to members of those groups. Are there people who believe racist things, or who sometimes behave in racist ways that are associated with the Tea Party movement but aren't a part of any of these groups? You bet. Everybody who is a thinking person knows that.
But it goes a lot farther than that. There are a lot of people I know who have said some pretty racist things over the years who voted FOR Obama. They would never consider themselves racist, and I know some who would love to point to their vote for Obama as some sort of "get out of racism free" card. But none of that changes the fact that they view the world - at least in part - through a prism of racism. That doesn't mean they won't vote for a guy because they consider him "black," or that they would refuse to work with a person they consider "black," or that they are going to be attending a Klan meeting anytime soon, but it does mean that race and racism plays a role in their lives.
I bet there are a lot of "white" people who voted for Obama and hate the Klan, but would still be somewhat disturbed or bothered if their son or daughter decided to marry a person they considered "black." Those people aren't frothing-at-the-mouth racists, but would a term like "not a racist bone in their body" apply to them? I don't think so.
The world is not neatly divided into people who wear sheets on their heads and people who are "not racist." It would be nice if it worked that way....but it doesn't. These are complicated issues, and racism continues to play a huge role in society, although in much subtler ways than it did in the nineteenth or twentieth centuries.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from. However, I do equate both terms on the same level. Calling a black person the "N" word and calling someone the "R" word is all about HATE.

No, calling out someone who is racist for being so is all about not tolerating their hate.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I have voted for a Democrat numerous times. He has been in office since Jan 2009 and our economy is still in shambles. One year and three months in office should be enough time to try to make some fixes to our struggling economy. I am fully aware that he inherited a mess from Bush. I wanted him to succeed, but he hasn't shown me anything that makes me think he wants to be a successful President. Which do you think should be of a higher priority: Health care reform or fixing the economy. He has gone against the majority of Americans who didn't want the health care bill passed. Instead of thinking about his fellow Americans he thinks about himself. He has put his own political party under the table with this health care reform bill and could care less about it. What has he done about securing our borders from these thug drug cartels? Governor Perry has taken the initiative to try to protect the borders of Texas. Would I consider voting for someone other than a Republican? Absolutely I would. I want to vote for the candidate who is going to do the best for the people and not go against thier will.

Fixing the economy would be job #1. The President, however, has little impact on what the economy does despite the beliefs of most. He can't make snap-your-fingers changes that instantly change the course of the general economy- in fact the vast majority of fiscal policy is set by the Federal Reserve (central bank lending rates, money flow, etc.) Rates too low for too long, overexpansion and inflation; rates too high for too long, curtailed investment and recession. That being said, I think we are making positive strides based on indicators, despite my personal wealth saying different.

Economic indicators:
Jan '09 -> Apr '10
Dow Jones Average: 8738 -> 11005
Change in Nonfarm Payrolls: Down 750k -> Up 160k (a strong leading indicator)
Unemployment Rate: 8.3% -> 9.6% (a lagging indicator)
Retail Sales: -3% -> +1.5%
CPI: +0.1% -> +0.1% (measure of inflation)
Housing Starts: 450k -> 600k (Jan '09 was a historical low)
Existing Home Sales: 4.5MM -> 5.0MM

Originally Posted by Danzig

this and your previous post were right on. well done.

Thank you, 'Zig.

[clyde]

After reading a few of the ...oratories here,I harken back to a documentery I saw on my-tubey sometime ago about insane asylums.

Small wonder.




Anyways---- won't forget the inmate who was heard to say.."I've been here 7 years.The pills don't work anymore.I hate this place."


He was probably the sanest person in that building at that point in time...funny,too,without meaning to be.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

It's a horrible accusation - calling someone a racist. Not only is it akin to calling a black person the "N" word, it's akin to calling someone a Nazi. A racist is all about hate and thinking they're better than anyone else. It has a meaning all its own. If you can't figure that out, then you're just too lazy to find a better word to call someone who doesn't agree with your opinions about the vaunted PREZBO.

At least when you're talking to me, you're the only one talking about Obama. I don't give a fig about Obama in this conversation, just your absolutely looney, offensive idea that the word "racist" is the same as the "N" word. You know what I'm too lazy to find a better word for? Racists. So "racist" will do. It has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with calling racists what they are.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

some people get very offended when they are called a racist and they are not actually a racist.

Of course I dont think its on the same level as calling a black person the "n" word.. but both parties get offended when being called those terms.

I think that is what she was referring to.

Yea, you know who especially hates being called a racist? Racists. Just like you may be aware of the people who especially hate being called homophobes are? The most hateful homophobes out there take the biggest offense from it.

And all this "oh it's the same thing" trash is just a great way to try to turn racism back around on the people who are calling it out and trying to marginalize them by making *them* look like the crazy ones. To somehow say that you can't be a racist if you don't wear a hood or belong to the Aryan Nation is positively ridiculous....much like 97% of the words Doreen has posted in this thread in an attempt to excuse racism.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Yea, you know who especially hates being called a racist? Racists. Just like you may be aware of the people who especially hate being called homophobes are? The most hateful homophobes out there take the biggest offense from it.

Truth

And the most hateful homophobes often are closeted gays.