Glenn Beck

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Calling someone a racist is as bad as calling a black person the "N" word.

Wow.

Just wow.

Someone who says something like that should not be given even one ounce of credibility when talking about race or racism. And I'd assume calling someone homophobic is the same as calling a gay person a fag, right?

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Wow.

Just wow.

Someone who says something like that should not be given even one ounce of credibility when talking about race or racism. And I'd assume calling someone homophobic is the same as calling a gay person a fag, right?

I fail to see the analogy. I posted definitions of four words. Dispute them, but spare me your opinion that I lack credibility. That's become a boring comeback by a lot of libs who can't think up a "credible" retort.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

I fail to see the analogy. I posted definitions of four words. Dispute them, but spare me your opinion that I lack credibility. That's become a boring comeback by a lot of libs who can't think up a "credible" retort.

I'm not arguing your dictionary definitions, perhaps I'd argue your personal interpretation of what those words mean, but that's why I didn't quote your entire post, because it was frankly boring and uninteresting once I passed this privileged, racist (oh shoot, did I just call you the N word accidentally?!) little gem:

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Calling someone a racist is as bad as calling a black person the "N" word.

So I'm actually here to "dispute" your assertion that calling someone a racist is as bad as calling someone the "N" word, by which logic, calling someone a homophobe would be just as bad as calling someone a "fag."

Either embrace your logic or don't; your failure to see the analogy is the failure to embrace your own twisted logic quoted above. Just wondering if you really want to own that quote.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I could care less what race he is and political party he is with. Whoever is President I just want them to do a good job and not ruin this country. I have never brought up the race card like you are.

Dude... I live in Kentucky now. If you want to call me a profiler, fine, but every right wing conservative that's a NASCAR fan and an NRA fan is also racist. I know what type of person you are. You hate him.

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Two words that would put this country on the road to economic recovery - FAIR TAX.

Explain to me what you mean by Fair Tax. It's almost an oxymoron- since there's so many ways to generate and slice the pie.

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Sliding slightly off topic here - he sure is giving the shaft to one of our staunchest allies - Israel. Maybe he thinks the terrorist nations will like us better. HAH!

Calling it "giving Israel the shaft" is far from the truth.

Obviously, a strong Israeli-American relationship is important because it gives us a military foothold in a region we most need it, and culturally it's the only country in the Middle East that has any similarity to the US. However, are we spending too much money for it? The 2010 budget has $53 billion for international affairs, of which 50%(!!!) is appropriated for Israel- $4,000 per person in Israel! A good amount of this goes into developing weaponry in Israel, whereas in the last 10 years they have proceeded to try to sell these goods to potentially unsavory types (particularly China- whom I'd hope is not a threat but who knows.) Israel needs us a lot more than we need them... and we need them, but at what cost? (BTW, I don't think anybody, especially the President, has illusions that if we ever cut ties with Israel that the terrorist nations would "like" us better.)

That being said- Joe Biden's writer should be fired for his use of words. While I think the motion was correct, because another Israel-Palestine conflict would cost the USA significantly on much ado about nothing (an APARTMENT BUILDING!!!) the word "condemn" was far too strong.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by philcski

Explain to me what you mean by Fair Tax. It's almost an oxymoron- since there's so many ways to generate and slice the pie.

The 2010 budget has $53 billion for international affairs, of which 50%(!!!) is appropriated for Israel- $4,000 per person in Israel! .

Fair Tax? You're asking what I mean by the Fair Tax? Wonderful book - answers all the questions. If you can't afford to buy it, I'll lend you my copy provided you promise to give it back. Or better still, I'll buy you a copy. Just let me know if you TRULY are interested in becoming educated on the Fair Tax. It'll do away with the IRS instead of adding thousands to the payroll to monitor who has the BO Healthcare plan.

http://www.amazon.com/FairTax-Book-N.../dp/0060875410

But, the Dems in power don't want a Fair Tax because they won't be able to control how much tax people choose to pay. The Healthcare program has nothing to do with healthcare. It's all about control and everything that Obama is proposing "for the good of the American people" is all about control.

Re Israel - I'd rather pay the money to support them than the thousands upon thousands of illegal alliens that are in this country contributing largely to the national deficit.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Fair Tax? You're asking what I mean by the Fair Tax? Wonderful book - answers all the questions. If you can't afford to buy it, I'll lend you my copy provided you promise to give it back. Or better still, I'll buy you a copy. Just let me know if you TRULY are interested in becoming educated on the Fair Tax. It'll do away with the IRS instead of adding thousands to the payroll to monitor who has the BO Healthcare plan.

http://www.amazon.com/FairTax-Book-N.../dp/0060875410

But, the Dems in power don't want a Fair Tax because they won't be able to control how much tax people choose to pay. The Healthcare program has nothing to do with healthcare. It's all about control and everything that Obama is proposing "for the good of the American people" is all about control.

Re Israel - I'd rather pay the money to support them than the thousands upon thousands of illegal alliens that are in this country contributing largely to the national deficit.

The cost of illegal aliens in this country is less than what we spend on Israel.



Boortz- yes, I like this guy a lot. Of all the numnuts on the radio spewing their wacky views he's one of the few I feel aligned with on just about every issue. I know about the Fair Tax plan and think it's a great idea... which will never pass. I drew a blank because it was 5 years ago when I last heard about it...

But Doreen, to blame it on Dems is FACTUALLY INCORRECT. The bill was introduced in 2005 to the 109th Congress... which was a REPUBLICAN MAJORITY in both houses, and was voted down.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Re Israel - I'd rather pay the money to support them than the thousands upon thousands of illegal alliens that are in this country contributing largely to the national deficit.

This is a completely false statement

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is a completely false statement

Ummm - no it's not. Not every illegal works his/her butt off at racetracks.

[GenuineRisk]

Now, what to cut? Personally, I'm all for cutting Medicare. These old blue-hairs can just pay for private insurance like the rest of us do and then I don't have to pay Medicare out of my paycheck just so they can get treated for their lifetime of smoking and not exercising and eating cheap fried crap at the Early Bird Special. It's not my problem; I'm not old. It's not my fault they didn't bother to save money for their inevitable health care costs at the end of their life- they should have been more fiscally responsible. I don't see the Medicare recipients here showing any concern for my health care; why should I have to pay for theirs?

I'm sure a private company will be delighted to give them comprehensive insurance at a reasonable rate. And if they won't? Well, not my problem. They can just go ask for help from their local church. I'm sure private charity can take care of them.

That's it; that's the solution to a large part of the budget. End Medicare. See? Easy.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Ummm - no it's not. Not every illegal works his/her butt off at racetracks.

What do the rest of them do? Bounce around from social program to social program? You realize that billions of dollars in withheld taxes earned by illegals are kept by the govt rather than be paid back. You do realize that illegals do the cheap labor jobs that Americans wont do which means that those businesses which employ them continue to be in business or remain profitable. You know like food growers, restaurants, landscaping business, temp jobs. The vast majority of them dont rely on govt services for anything as they are afraid of being turned in and sent back.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

Dude... I live in Kentucky now. If you want to call me a profiler, fine, but every right wing conservative that's a NASCAR fan and an NRA fan is also racist. I know what type of person you are. You hate him.

While I am not a big Nascar fan, I live in KY, do support the NRA would be considered conservative and I dont consider myself to be racist.

And I dislike Obama's agenda because we dont really know these people well enough to dislike or hate them personally. I mean the guy does like basketball and baseball which puts him a few spots ahead of Marx and Mao. (a joke for the PC)

But what really amuses me is people like Riot who start fights over relatively meaningless subjects like Glenn beck and Sarah Palin (neither of which currently hold a position of authority and are basically paid entertainers) and believe themselves to be somehow neutral!

I always expect BWS to offer his opinions on subjects based upon his version of the world which is much different than many others here. I dont always agree with his take but respect his opinion. Nascar has a completely different view of the world based upon his experiences yet no one seems to respect most of what he has to say. While I admit that his pettiness and namecalling can surely not help the cause, he does bring a different view.

Now with that out there a random poster that didnt agree with brian would be 1000 times more likely to be called homophobic than a label being attached to someone who disagreed with Nascar.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

While I am not a big Nascar fan, I live in KY, do support the NRA would be considered conservative and I dont consider myself to be racist.

And I dislike Obama's agenda because we dont really know these people well enough to dislike or hate them personally. I mean the guy does like basketball and baseball which puts him a few spots ahead of Marx and Mao. (a joke for the PC)

But what really amuses me is people like Riot who start fights over relatively meaningless subjects like Glenn beck and Sarah Palin (neither of which currently hold a position of authority and are basically paid entertainers) and believe themselves to be somehow neutral!

I always expect BWS to offer his opinions on subjects based upon his version of the world which is much different than many others here. I dont always agree with his take but respect his opinion. Nascar has a completely different view of the world based upon his experiences yet no one seems to respect most of what he has to say. While I admit that his pettiness and namecalling can surely not help the cause, he does bring a different view.

Now with that out there a random poster that didnt agree with brian would be 1000 times more likely to be called homophobic than a label being attached to someone who disagreed with Nascar.

You fail the NASCAR fan test! You cannot be racist!

Nascar has "views" which he cannot substantiate. All of his claims are factually incorrect and once cornered on his lack of research/knowledge turns on the angry, "you don't respect me or the military" personality. All I ask is if you're going to debate me on something, get your facts straight. Now it's Doreen (whom I happen to know and am friends with) that's got her facts wrong.

Palin, Beck, Rush, Olbermann, and the like are dead to me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

Palin, Beck, Rush, Olbermann, and the like are dead to me.

I hate to say it but you wont find a more racist group of people than blueblooded Lexington. And a whole bunch of them are Democrats.

And really why we continue to debate what these people say makes us look dumb. In my entire life I dont think I have ever listened or watched any of them for more than 5 minutes.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I hate to say it but you wont find a more racist group of people than blueblooded Lexington. And a whole bunch of them are Democrats.

And really why we continue to debate what these people say makes us look dumb. In my entire life I dont think I have ever listened or watched any of them for more than 5 minutes.

Absolutely agree on both points- yet another reason I really don't like living here. I should make it clear that racism is NOT a Dem or Repub issue...

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by philcski

You fail the NASCAR fan test! You cannot be racist!

Nascar has "views" which he cannot substantiate. All of his claims are factually incorrect and once cornered on his lack of research/knowledge turns on the angry, "you don't respect me or the military" personality. All I ask is if you're going to debate me on something, get your facts straight. Now it's Doreen (whom I happen to know and am friends with) that's got her facts wrong.

Palin, Beck, Rush, Olbermann, and the like are dead to me.

And all your claims are substantiated? If the truth hurts you tough ****.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

While I am not a big Nascar fan, I live in KY, do support the NRA would be considered conservative and I dont consider myself to be racist.

And I dislike Obama's agenda because we dont really know these people well enough to dislike or hate them personally. I mean the guy does like basketball and baseball which puts him a few spots ahead of Marx and Mao. (a joke for the PC)

But what really amuses me is people like Riot who start fights over relatively meaningless subjects like Glenn beck and Sarah Palin (neither of which currently hold a position of authority and are basically paid entertainers) and believe themselves to be somehow neutral!

I always expect BWS to offer his opinions on subjects based upon his version of the world which is much different than many others here. I dont always agree with his take but respect his opinion. Nascar has a completely different view of the world based upon his experiences yet no one seems to respect most of what he has to say. While I admit that his pettiness and namecalling can surely not help the cause, he does bring a different view.

Now with that out there a random poster that didnt agree with brian would be 1000 times more likely to be called homophobic than a label being attached to someone who disagreed with Nascar.

Love your comment.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Wow.

Just wow.

Someone who says something like that should not be given even one ounce of credibility when talking about race or racism. And I'd assume calling someone homophobic is the same as calling a gay person a fag, right?

Just to be sure,Brian....Do you speak from and for the gay perspective? Should everything a person says be run through the various "filters"?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Just to be sure,Brian....Do you speak from and for the gay perspective? Should everything a person says be run through the various "filters"?

I am speaking for me in wondering how much P. Doreen wants to own the entirely racist idea that "calling someone a racist is the same as calling a black person the 'N' word."

No more, no less.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I am speaking for me in wondering how much P. Doreen wants to own the entirely racist idea that "calling someone a racist is the same as calling a black person the 'N' word."

No more, no less.

It's a ridiculous segue to the gay thing, but that's what you've been doing for years!....Hence,my question

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

It's a ridiculous segue to the gay thing, but that's what you've been doing for years!....Hence,my question

Why is it ridiculous? Please explain where the analogy is faulty. The analogy is pretty perfect actually.