McNabb to Redskins

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by -BT-

been out there for a while, he made it pretty obvious last season publicly that he can't play in the 3-4 system. couple 2nds or a 1st and 3rd would be good in my eyes, interested to see if tampa tries and get since we allegedly took him from them

-bt-

The Skins offered Haynesworth and a 2nd round pick to the Eagles for McNabb.

Eagles turned it down.. wanted a 2011 4th round pick for McNabb instead of Haynesworth.

I highly doubt the skins could get a 1st or 2nd round pick for him.

Maybe a third or fourth round pick.. or two late round picks. He's a locker room cancer and after last season doesnt have much worth.

[Antitrust32]

Back to the McNabb trade... The current Eagles players are THRILLED that Kolb is their QB now. Even D-Jax said "a change was needed" You read any of the quotes from Jackson, Maclin, Celeck and the O linemen and you can really tell that they wanted Kolb to be the QB and not McNabb. They have a MUCH better relationship with Kolb and think he's a better leader (which is obvious). Maclin basically said (in different words) that he is excited to have an accurate QB now. Said there aren't any throws out there that Kolb cant make.

I'm so excited for the Kolb era. The fact that the players are happier with him at QB speaks volumes.

Here is Brian Baldinger's take on the trade:

The Eagles should be ecstatic. I view McNabb as a flawed player, and it was never more apparent than in the back-to-back losses to the Cowboys last season. His flaws will never go away. Now, the Eagles get at least two chances to expose the same flaws they've been covering up for 11 years. It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division. Andy Reid can finally stop covering up for one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. The Eagles will go to the playoffs. The Redskins will be watching from the golf course.

[slotdirt]

I'll never understand it. Best quarterback the Eagles franchise HAS EVER HAD, and this is how he's treated. Thankfully, neither Antitrust nor Brian Baldinger speaks for every Eagles fan. I know quite a few who were upset in how Donovan was treated throughout his Eagles career.

That being said, I think the Eagles pretty much fleeced the Redskins on this one.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'll never understand it. Best quarterback the Eagles franchise HAS EVER HAD, and this is how he's treated. Thankfully, neither Antitrust nor Brian Baldinger speaks for every Eagles fan. I know quite a few who were upset in how Donovan was treated throughout his Eagles career.

That being said, I think the Eagles pretty much fleeced the Redskins on this one.

go cry me a river

He may have all the the passing records (as he should.. he's been here forever) but to say he's better than Norm Van Bocklin is silly. Even picking between Ron Jaworski and McNabb is a wash.

Oh poor Donovan has been treated so badly

He only got to collect over $100 MILLION dollars in Philly. And we all loved him the first 5-6 years when he would actually run the ball which made him a much more dangerous QB.

When he started getting hurt and stopped being a mobile QB.. his stock went WAY down. he's a bottom third of the league QB when it comes to accuracy.. it was his legs that made him very good his first 5-6 years.

Now he's even older, always prone to Injury, and kills more worms than RAID does. That and his former TEAMMATES dont see him as a leader! That is huge! I always had that feeling but didnt confirm it until I read all the quotes from the Eagles players on Monday. I write a post about this fact and I'm treating McNabb poorly? Because I posted the truth?

Besides getting boo'd when he was drafted (which was totally uncalled for and ridiculous), McNabb has been treated fairly. You dont go to play football in Philly and think everything will always be peachy. He's a man, he can handle the criticism, unlike you. Pansies dont play football.

We want CHAMPIONSHIPS, 2nd place is the first loser. If Kolb loses 4 NFC Championship games for us he'll get just the same critism. Our defense was GREAT when we were winning so much in the first half of the decade. And its just fact that McNabb doesnt come up big in the clutch. If he had.. or even just won us ONE superbowl, he would be more celebrated in Philly than Chase Utley and Charley Manuel.

No offense, but real Philly fans (myself included) dont give a crap about your feelings, McNabbs feelings, or the Washington Nationals fans feelings. That is the way it should be.

[slotdirt]

You are insane if you think Norm Van Brocklin was a better quarterback than Donovan. Laughably insane at that. With all due respect, of course. Hell, he's probably the best PLAYER the franchise has ever had. Any real Eagles fan or someone who has actually watched football for more than five minutes would probably recognize that.

P.S. - I grew up right outside of Philly, so please don't call me a Washington Nationals fan. That is borderline offensive and most certainly beyond demeaning.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

You are insane if you think Norm Van Brocklin was a better quarterback than Donovan. Laughably insane at that. With all due respect, of course. Hell, he's probably the best PLAYER the franchise has ever had. Any real Eagles fan or someone who has actually watched football for more than five minutes would probably recognize that.

P.S. - I grew up right outside of Philly, so please don't call me a Washington Nationals fan. That is borderline offensive and most certainly beyond demeaning.

Didnt Chuck Bednarik and Reggie White play for the Eagles?

[slotdirt]

Chuck Bednarik? Besides sharing a name with Chuck Simon, how is he a superior all-time player for the Eagles franchise when compared to McNabb?

Reggie White was a great one, but some would argue his best days were with the Packers. McNabb's best days were most likely as an Eagle.

I guess this discussion leads to the obvious conclusion, and that is that the Eagles share similarities with the Phillies pre-2008 in that they have been a mostly moribund franchise for the majority of their existence.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

You are insane if you think Norm Van Brocklin was a better quarterback than Donovan. Laughably insane at that. With all due respect, of course. Hell, he's probably the best PLAYER the franchise has ever had. Any real Eagles fan or someone who has actually watched football for more than five minutes would probably recognize that.

P.S. - I grew up right outside of Philly, so please don't call me a Washington Nationals fan. That is borderline offensive and most certainly beyond demeaning.

I didnt really call you a Nats fan, I was just throwing them in with the other group of whiners that included you and McNabb. All the Nats fans are crying over Philly fans over taking their stadium for Opening Day. Its quite funny.

Sorry, but anyone with a brain and has a grasp of football knowledge understands that Norm Van Brocklin was by far the best QB to suit up for the Eagles. He's also actually won the Eagles a championship. Just because Brocklin only played for the Eagles for 3 years.. and hasnt played for the eagles in 49 years.. doesnt make DMac better.

and best Player over all!?!? yeah McNabb is just so much better than Reggie White, Sonny Jurgensen, Jerome Brown, Seth Joyner, Eric Allen, Wilbert Montgomery, Chuck Bednarik, Brian Dawkins, STEVE VAN BUREN, Tommy McDonald, Mike Quick, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Shoot.. even Shawn Andrews (when mentally healthy) and T.O (as much as it pains me to say) are better football players than McNabb.

McNabb wouldnt even make the top 10 finalist list when voting on the Best Eagle of all time.

[slotdirt]

Seriously, you're insane. Shawn Andrews? Mike Quick? Wilbert freaking Montgomery? Oh God, make it stop.

Look, I said the Eagles fleeced the Redskins, and they clearly did. That doesn't make Donovan's tenure as an Eagle any less meaningful.

I think it's fantastic that every time there's a Mets, Red Sox, or Phillies game at Nationals Park that Nats fans compromise something like 20 percent of the crowd. Shoot, I don't even know if there really are any Nationals "fans" in DC anyway, it's such a transient place. It's no different - to a lesser extent now that the Caps are actually good - than the eleventy billion fans of other team that show up for a Caps game against the Pens, Flyers, or Red Wings.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

McNabb wouldnt even make the top 10 finalist list when voting on the Best Eagle of all time.

Care to restate?

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/75thteamhome.asp