Eskendereya: 109 BSF for Wood

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Is it fair to say that so far, Eskendereya is the only 3 year old horse that has displayed a Derby worthy performance? And now, he has done it twice.

What's going to beat him besides luck or injury? He doesnt even need all of what he had yesterday to win this year's derby.

yup, he can't lose. wait a minute doesn't the favorite lose almost every year? oh , that must be a different race....lol

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

yup, he can't lose. wait a minute doesn't the favorite lose almost every year? oh , that must be a different race....lol

The favorite in the derby has won 50 times. In the last ten years- Big Brown, Fusaichi Pegasus, Street Sense, Barbaro and Smarty Jones were either favored or amongst the top three betting choices.

Indeed, you must be watching a different race.

[brockguy]

While Esky was visually very very impressive last night, at his current odds of 2-1 for the Derby, Id be very much playing against him..

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by brockguy

While Esky was visually very very impressive last night, at his current odds of 2-1 for the Derby, Id be very much playing against him..

No doubt about it. Anything can happen and you can find a good price on a horse with a shot. At the same time, is there any single horse out there that you have seen so far with a reasonable shot to beat him? If so, Please name him.

[randallscott35]

I think Zayat will be selling a piece of him before the derby.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

No doubt about it. Anything can happen and you can find a good price on a horse with a shot. At the same time, is there any single horse out there that you have seen so far with a reasonable shot to beat him? If so, Please name him.

Just my opinion, but Id take the 1-2-3 from the Santa Anita Derby as a group at approximately the same odds as Esky is now (2-1).

[Hoist Her Flag]

Bellamy Road's performance was better than Esky's and he lost. I'm very concerned about the 1:13 and 3 yesterday. The Derby pace will be 1:11 and 3 at the slowest. Either set by Rule, Conveyance, Sydney or American Lion. If Esky uses any of his speed to stay within 5 lenghts he won't have the the finishing touch he has had the last 2 races. Could still win very easily. But if they opt to lay 10 lengths back of that pace. I'm not so sure. Plus we still have post positions.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Hoist Her Flag

Bellamy Road's performance was better than Esky's and he lost. I'm very concerned about the 1:13 and 3 yesterday. The Derby pace will be 1:11 and 3 at the slowest. Either set by Rule, Conveyance, Sydney or American Lion. If Esky uses any of his speed to stay within 5 lenghts he won't have the the finishing touch he has had the last 2 races. Could still win very easily. But if they opt to lay 10 lengths back of that pace. I'm not so sure. Plus we still have post positions.

So if he stays close to the pace, he'll be in trouble, and if he lays off the pace, he'll be in trouble. Why even enter? And unlike Eskendereya, Bellamy Road showed little to no ability to rate in his prior races, plus he got hurt in the Derby. Different scenarios.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

No doubt about it. Anything can happen and you can find a good price on a horse with a shot. At the same time, is there any single horse out there that you have seen so far with a reasonable shot to beat him? If so, Please name him.

This is my question as well. It's easy to say "they all get beat" and they do, but I'm still waiting for someone to tell me which horse is close to him.

[jms62]

Still got the Pletcher Jinx to overcome also.