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[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Moss should have seen this coming and run in the Jockey Club Gold Cup. But that might entail having to leave SoCal and running on real dirt.

you think? that horse could of been horse of the decade if they only ran her..... i think the "reality" has set in and they realize they have to travel....lets hope thats the case.

[Frost King]

See what I don't understand, is that RA was annointed Champion before the Classic was even run. So why is it acceptable in horse racing to give the accolades before the season is over, but in all other sports, we wait until the playoffs. The Colts may have been the best team until Sunday's kickoff, but if the Jets beat them and win the Super Bowl, do we still crown the Colts Champions? The Colts rested there team the last two weeks, of the season. Nobody is giving them credit for maybe going 16-0. So why are we salivating over RA season, but when the Super Bowl(aka Classic) was run, we totally disregard the winner and blow it off, like it does not count. All I know, in the one field that Zenyatta beat that Saturday, there will be more horses standing at stud from that group, than the tomato cans that Rachael beat in all three times that see beat the males. In fact, just check out the field that Winning Colors beat in her Derby run, and she beat some pretty good horses that were eventually going to stud.

[tector]

Originally Posted by Frost King

See what I don't understand, is that RA was annointed Champion before the Classic was even run. So why is it acceptable in horse racing to give the accolades before the season is over, but in all other sports, we wait until the playoffs. The Colts may have been the best team until Sunday's kickoff, but if the Jets beat them and win the Super Bowl, do we still crown the Colts Champions? The Colts rested there team the last two weeks, of the season. Nobody is giving them credit for maybe going 16-0. So why are we salivating over RA season, but when the Super Bowl(aka Classic) was run, we totally disregard the winner and blow it off, like it does not count. All I know, in the one field that Zenyatta beat that Saturday, there will be more horses standing at stud from that group, than the tomato cans that Rachael beat in all three times that see beat the males. In fact, just check out the field that Winning Colors beat in her Derby run, and she beat some pretty good horses that were eventually going to stud.

The idea that the BC is the "playoffs" is fallacious. That is why you are confused. You can win HOY without the BC--and that should apply double when the BC is stupid enough to run on plastic.

I just had a post about 1990. Do you remember was the 1990 HOY?

It wasn't Unbridled, who won the Derby and BCC.

It wasn't Go For Wand. Or Bayakoa, for that matter.

Get some perspective.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by tector

The idea that the BC is the "playoffs" is fallacious. That is why you are confused. You can win HOY without the BC--and that should apply double when the BC is stupid enough to run on plastic.

I just had a post about 1990. Do you remember was the 1990 HOY?

It wasn't Unbridled, who won the Derby and BCC.

It wasn't Go For Wand. Or Bayakoa, for that matter.

Get some perspective.

TOTALLY AGREE, they should vote before the BC. the results from the last two years are meaningless.

[tector]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

TOTALLY AGREE, they should vote before the BC. the results from the last two years are meaningless.

I think you are going to the other extreme because of the last two stupid years. You have to consider the BC, but it is not an end-all, be-all. And you can discount it to the degree it is appropriate, which is what happened this year, at least in part.

I think people are really trying to over-complicate something that is not that complicated, at least to me.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Frost King

See what I don't understand, is that RA was annointed Champion before the Classic was even run. So why is it acceptable in horse racing to give the accolades before the season is over, but in all other sports, we wait until the playoffs. The Colts may have been the best team until Sunday's kickoff, but if the Jets beat them and win the Super Bowl, do we still crown the Colts Champions? The Colts rested there team the last two weeks, of the season. Nobody is giving them credit for maybe going 16-0. So why are we salivating over RA season, but when the Super Bowl(aka Classic) was run, we totally disregard the winner and blow it off, like it does not count. All I know, in the one field that Zenyatta beat that Saturday, there will be more horses standing at stud from that group, than the tomato cans that Rachael beat in all three times that see beat the males. In fact, just check out the field that Winning Colors beat in her Derby run, and she beat some pretty good horses that were eventually going to stud.

I might be wrong, but didn't the NFL just announce that Peyton Manning won MVP and Charles Woodson won the Defensive Player of the Year award? Good thing the league waited until the season was over to dish out the hardware.

[Frost King]

Every league has Season ending awards and playoff awards. The last time I checked, all stats in horse racing start on January 1 and end December 31. Just ask Garrett Gomez and Julian Leparoux. So by your analagy, the top seed in the AFC and NFC should be awarded the byes into the SuperBowl based on the season record. So if Manning gets hurt, we vote the Colts in as Super Bowl Champions because they were the best team during the regular season? Eventhough they might get beat in the playoffs? Someone once said to me, "That is why we play the games!"

[Scav]

'We play to WIN the games, its that simple'

[packerbacker7964]

to say your better is one thing but another to prove it. just find out hwre RA is running her comeback race and be there to run against her. Everytime RA sticks her arse out on a track be there with Zenny to race her

[slotdirt]

The fundamental difference in this Frost King character's argument is that...wait for it...THERE ARE NO PLAYOFFS IN HORSE RACING. Ahem.

[tector]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

The fundamental difference in this Frost King character's argument is that...wait for it...THERE ARE NO PLAYOFFS IN HORSE RACING. Ahem.

I told him that already. It had no affect on his rant.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

The fundamental difference in this Frost King character's argument is that...wait for it...THERE ARE NO PLAYOFFS IN HORSE RACING. Ahem.

Don't you get it? The Breeders' Cup is CHAMPIONSHIP DAY, just like it always was. Because nothing about it has changed for the past two renewals. Not one factor. Can't think of a thing that might make people more inclined to avoid it than they were pre-2008.

[Frost King]

Yes we do have a playoff in horse racing. You qualify for the Breeder's Cup by winning the "Win and Your In Route," or by garnering points in BC eligible races or by special invite. So you do have a playoff style system in horse racing. It all points towards the Championship Breeder's Cup Weekend. If that weekend means squat, then the whole program through the year is a sham. The whole concept of the Breeder's Cup is then useless. So why then have BC races during the season? If the end game is meaningless, then the lead up to it is also meaningless. I can understand, if a horse gets injured, but still then, do you give the MVP in baseball to a player that ends his season in July/August because he was going to be on pace for a season of all seasons? Or does it go to the guy that played to the end and put his team over the top? So before the BC, it was the toughest field that Zenyatta was going to face. So when she disposes them like they were standing still, the outcome is meaningless. You can't have both ways.