Arlington Million winner 2009

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I can honestly say I have not looked into it whatsoever, as to whether or not Carroll is even really pointing her there -- and though I might get blasted for even saying she'd have a shot regardless of who shows up...but I think Acoma would be plenty interesting if she kept running the way she is now and landed in the Beverly D.

Acoma is a very nice filly, she's versatile and she can run on all 3 surfaces, I'm not quite sure she's up to tackling Forever Together just yet but she's not crazy impossible either.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

Acoma is a very nice filly, she's versatile and she can run on all 3 surfaces, I'm not quite sure she's up to tackling Forever Together just yet but she's not crazy impossible either.

Forever Together is running in the Diana, not the Beverly D.

I think Acoma is a giant mirage who has always needed a more than perfect trip to succeed. She's like the poor man's version of Rutherienne.

NT

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Forever Together is running in the Diana, not the Beverly D.

I think Acoma is a giant mirage who has always needed a more than perfect trip to succeed. She's like the poor man's version of Rutherienne.

NT

No one is saying she is Rachel Alexandra. She's useful, off the top of my head she ran some good races at Keeneland, OP, GP, ect... she's more of a Sealy Hill or the potential to be in her catagory that is better on dirt IMO.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

No one is saying she is Rachel Alexandra. She's useful, off the top of my head she ran some good races at Keeneland, OP, GP, ect... she's more of a Sealy Hill or the potential to be in her catagory that is better on dirt IMO.

Maybe it was pointed more at me, since I'm the one who basically called her a potential Beverly D. winner if she goes.

I think she's plenty more than "useful."

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Maybe it was pointed more at me, since I'm the one who basically called her a potential Beverly D. winner if she goes.

I think she's plenty more than "useful."

Not pointed at anyone in particular, just an opinionated person voicing an opinion. Though, for conversation's sake, I don't think Acoma is a much more likely winner of the Bev than Better Talk Now is of the Million.

NT

[Scav]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Not pointed at anyone in particular, just an opinionated person voicing an opinion. Though, for conversation's sake, I don't think Acoma is a much more likely winner of the Bev than Better Talk Now is of the Million.

NT

You have to understand Brian, he has favorites and would die for some of them.

His girl Inez is 10 losses in a row away from hitting that 10% mark, and that is with Douglas being gone for a month

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Not pointed at anyone in particular, just an opinionated person voicing an opinion. Though, for conversation's sake, I don't think Acoma is a much more likely winner of the Bev than Better Talk Now is of the Million.

NT

Based on style on the Arlington turf course, I would think she is.

Originally Posted by Scav

You have to understand Brian, he has favorites and would die for some of them.

His girl Inez is 10 losses in a row away from hitting that 10% mark, and that is with Douglas being gone for a month

This is true, guilty as charged. But that line of reasoning only works for horses who are actually my "favorites." Horses like Rhododendron, Courthouse, Happiness Is, Tidal Pool, etc.

The number of threads on all of Derby Trail in which I have typed the word "Acoma" is exactly one.

She is hardly one of my heart-based favorites. So the flip-side of that is that yes, I am capable of rational racing conversation outside of my "favorites."

You're just still mad that it turns out Peyote Patty totally could've won that dreadful Isaac Murphy, aren't you?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Scav

His girl Inez is 10 losses in a row away from hitting that 10% mark, and that is with Douglas being gone for a month

And also, by my most recent calculations, this is true...

...if by 10, you meant to type 98.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs...

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Not pointed at anyone in particular, just an opinionated person voicing an opinion. Though, for conversation's sake, I don't think Acoma is a much more likely winner of the Bev than Better Talk Now is of the Million.

NT

That we agree on...

Personally I am interested in the Aga Khan's other - other filly last yr 'Katirya' if she comes over, though with any possible bet I may make, it really depends on the value and she is a pretty good horse so I am not sure if there will be any with her.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by CSC

That we agree on...

Personally I am interested in the Aga Khan's other - other filly last yr 'Katirya' if she comes over, though with any possible bet I may make, it really depends on the value and she is a pretty good horse so I am not sure if there will be any with her.

Oh!

I love it when you and I agree.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25189

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Maybe it was pointed more at me, since I'm the one who basically called her a potential Beverly D. winner if she goes.

I think she's plenty more than "useful."

From memory, my opinion and it's just my opinion...I think Acoma's best surface is poly, that is where I see her making her mark; however I caution that is what I thought of Sealy Hill last year also and she came within a whisker of pulling off one of the biggest upsets in BC history. History has also taught me to never summarily dismiss a horse without doing a little homework before doing so.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

From memory, my opinion and it's just my opinion...I think Acoma's best surface is poly, that is where I see her making her mark; however I caution that is what I thought of Sealy Hill last year also and she came within a whisker of pulling off one of the biggest upsets in BC history. History has also taught me to never summarily dismiss a horse without doing a little homework before doing so.

You may be thinking of a different horse?

She did break her maiden on the Poly at Keeneland, but she's a two-time Grade III winner on the dirt, and has won two Grade IIIs and a Grade II over the grass in three tries over the stuff.

EDIT: Though to be fair and present all sides, she has been beaten over 30 lengths combined in her only two Grade I tries, both over the dirt.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

You may be thinking of a different horse?

She did break her maiden on the Poly at Keeneland, but she's a two-time Grade III winner on the dirt, and has won two Grade IIIs and a Grade II over the grass in three tries over the stuff.

No it's her, my opinion comes strictly from watching her races on tape and not her race record. I'm not sure and perhaps it's early to say this but being the offspring of Empire Maker, his seem to act best on polytrack.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

Acoma is a very nice filly, she's versatile and she can run on all 3 surfaces, I'm not quite sure she's up to tackling Forever Together just yet but she's not crazy impossible either.

Ha, I know that holding off Pure Clan when she's coming back off the layoff isn't quite the same thing as taking over at the top of the stretch and holding off horses of the quality of Forever Together and the Euro gals, but there's something about the way she digs in on the grass that impresses me so much.

I value that quite a bit in my handicapping, and I like that she's got guts and doesn't like getting passed once she's in front.

Would have to think she'd be a fair price, too, given the likely competition. But now I'm getting ahead of myself