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brockguy 06-28-2009 10:02 AM

Arlington Million winner 2009
 
Famous Name - Dermot Weld..

Scav 06-28-2009 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
Famous Name - Dermot Weld..

:rolleyes:

Can't wait until you tell me some Euro is garbage, only for you to go bet the damn horse and for it to win...GREAT times!!

brockguy 06-28-2009 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
:rolleyes:

Can't wait until you tell me some Euro is garbage, only for you to go bet the damn horse and for it to win...GREAT times!!

Don't worry, Ill have a few of those!!

Bogey 06-28-2009 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
Famous Name - Dermot Weld..

Einstein might have something to say about that, but Weld usually comes loaded.

brockguy 06-28-2009 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogey
Einstein might have something to say about that, but Weld usually comes loaded.

not a chance:) - I like him, he's a nice, honest horse, but he's not that good..

cakes44 06-28-2009 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogey
Einstein might have something to say about that...


Watch his pathetic run in last year's Million before you put too much faith in Einstein in this race.

eajinabi 06-28-2009 02:51 PM

Will Famous Name be an overwhelming favorite or is this some mystery horse?

RolloTomasi 06-28-2009 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
Famous Name - Dermot Weld..

That horse is a bridesmaid. Even if he's more talented than the home team he'll still find a way to lose.

Longshot possibilities: Seaspeak, Cowboy Cal, and Winchester.

brockguy 06-28-2009 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
That horse is a bridesmaid. Even if he's more talented than the home team he'll still find a way to lose.

Longshot possibilities: Seaspeak, Cowboy Cal, and Winchester.

Fair point, he has had his reasons for losing, but he was extremely impressive today - I wouldnt bet Winchester with counterfeit...

NTamm1215 06-28-2009 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
That horse is a bridesmaid. Even if he's more talented than the home team he'll still find a way to lose.

Longshot possibilities: Seaspeak, Cowboy Cal, and Winchester.

I would take the 1-2-3-4 finishers of the Manhattan over any of those three, even if their prices were lower. Seaspeak is an allowance horse who beat up on horrible competition at Lone Star and Cowboy Cal is an 8-9 furlong animal.

If Drysdale sets it up so that Marsh Side's 3rd off the Dubai trip is the Million, he'll be worth a long look. I thought he ran an excellent race in the Manhattan.

NT

Scav 06-28-2009 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I would take the 1-2-3-4 finishers of the Manhattan over any of those three, even if their prices were lower. Seaspeak is an allowance horse who beat up on horrible competition at Lone Star and Cowboy Cal is an 8-9 furlong animal.

If Drysdale sets it up so that Marsh Side's 3rd off the Dubai trip is the Million, he'll be worth a long look. I thought he ran an excellent race in the Manhattan.

NT

it is almost a guarantee for some illogical horse to win this year with the way both surfaces are playing at Arlington this year. Horses are going 1:16 on the lead on the turf and getting snapped by horses that are 5 wide. The synthetic has been impossible because they got some new tool and slowed the track down to a crawl and these jocks have no idea what is going on.

Its a rodeo right now

jpops757 06-28-2009 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
it is almost a guarantee for some illogical horse to win this year with the way both surfaces are playing at Arlington this year. Horses are going 1:16 on the lead on the turf and getting snapped by horses that are 5 wide. The synthetic has been impossible because they got some new tool and slowed the track down to a crawl and these jocks have no idea what is going on.

Its a rodeo right now

If we get a soft turf and a suitable pace, wil the oldtimer Better Talk Now take one for old times sake?

CSC 06-28-2009 10:35 PM

I always go with the international's - Jambalaya - Spirit One - Cima De Triomphe...2009

brianwspencer 06-29-2009 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jpops757
If we get a soft turf and a suitable pace, wil the oldtimer Better Talk Now take one for old times sake?

No chance. Not even if the ground is boggy and they go :45.2

CSC 06-29-2009 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
No chance. Not even if the ground is boggy and they go :45.2

He actually ran a good race in the Manhattan, I always had a fondness for him(BTN), but seriously why would anyone bet U.S based turfers when the Euro's are so specialized at it.

Of the nominated I'll repeat it again, I hope Cumani takes a shot with Cima De Triomphe, his preparation sort of reminds me of Spirit One's a year ago.

jwkniska 06-29-2009 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
No chance. Not even if the ground is boggy and they go :45.2

I totally agree.

brianwspencer 06-29-2009 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
He actually ran a good race in the Manhattan, I always had a fondness for him(BTN), but seriously why would anyone bet U.S based turfers when the Euro's are so specialized at it.

Of the nominated I'll repeat it again, I hope Cumani takes a shot with Cima De Triomphe, his preparation sort of reminds me of Spirit One's a year ago.

I liked his Manhattan quite a bit, and have had a soft spot for him myself since the Lone Star Breeders' Cup win.

Just don't particularly like his style over this course whatsoever. Deep closers over this course (or any turf course, for that matter) are usually a bad bet, and at Arlington, if it's a horse that takes any time at all to get rolling (ie, without a Euro style turn of foot) they're much too late once they straighten and get moving.

CSC 06-29-2009 10:29 AM

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I liked his Manhattan quite a bit, and have had a soft spot for him myself since the Lone Star Breeders' Cup win.
There's a race on youtube of him winning the Manhattan that shows him weaving through the stretch to just get up, beating Shakis among others, that was one of my personal favorite races. Typical Dominguez ride!


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Just don't particularly like his style over this course whatsoever. Deep closers over this course (or any turf course, for that matter) are usually a bad bet, and at Arlington, if it's a horse that takes any time at all to get rolling (ie, without a Euro style turn of foot) they're much too late once they straighten and get moving.
I think this is where the European training is more advantageous to the way North American horses are trained for turf races. The Euro's train their horses to race quietly early on in their races, saving their energy for one quick burst in the stretch. In general NA horses make their move on the turn whereas can wait a little longer, regardless at a price I will always look for a decent Euro horse to bet in a race such as this, if not for the unknown factor. I know we like to think we have the best horses running over here, and for dirt races I would tend to agree, but on the grass the Euro's are far superior.

brockguy 06-29-2009 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
I always go with the international's - Jambalaya - Spirit One - Cima De Triomphe...2009


Cima could be a nice type, we'll know more this weekend when he faces sea the stars et al in the eclipse! I'm not too sure if cumani usually points his horses here! Plus he does seem to take a while to get into top gear, much like mount Nelson last year!

my miss storm cat 06-29-2009 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Cima De Triomphe...2009

I'm a fan of his.... nice win in the Italian Derby last year, looked good beating Conduit in May.

I'm with you on this one if he comes over.


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