6/20 (CNL): Colonial Turf Cup (G2); All Along (G3)

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

What was so impressive about his two California races against decidedly weak competition

I think that The Pamplemousse was a pretty awesome horse-for-course on that pro ride surface.
In The Sham, Take The Points was used out of the gate a little in a futile move, and then asked a little near the end of the race. I thought he came into the Sham in decent form and had that been a dirt race (or turf) it could have been a bigger effort.

as far as taking to the turf, I don't see any reason why he shouldn't. His running style and pedigree seem fine. These horse settle into the turf dynamics fine most of the time and if they have a little bit of talent edge they translate well into these 3yo stakes.

He's no lock. Play against him if you want. I was hoping to use him with others at around 5-1.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

the Sham is wide open for interpretation.

I think that The Pamplemousse was a pretty awesome horse-for-course on that pro ride surface.

And didn't he beat Take the Points by 6? His ability seems kind of irrelevant in here since he crushed TTP.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

I think that The Pamplemousse was a pretty awesome horse-for-course on that pro ride surface.
In The Sham, Take The Points was used out of the gate a little in a futile move, and then asked a little near the end of the race. I thought he came into the Sham in decent form and had that been a dirt race (or turf) it could have been a bigger effort.

I agree that 'Mousse is a good horse and a star on that track but don't see his second in the Sham as a great run. It seemed that they all figured 'Mousse was cheap stretchout speed and that he'd come back so no one challenged early. They just cantered 1-2 all around.

I don't see any reason to think that he's be a move up on grass. No stunning turf breeding, no huge trainer angle etc. The fact that he seems to "just keep running" may help at 1 3/16 but unless he's a hidden grass freak, I think he's a bet against.

I haven't really studied the race but I'd rather have a horse with some upside at a price. Final Count could be a nice one and I like that Lime Rickey did win an allowance against older last time. I also think Rescue Squad has a shot as well.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Linny

I agree that 'Mousse is a good horse and a star on that track but don't see his second in the Sham as a great run. It seemed that they all figured 'Mousse was cheap stretchout speed and that he'd come back so no one challenged early. They just cantered 1-2 all around.

well I'm talking about a subtle little move in the begining and a move on the 2nd turn, and it admittedly wasn't the most grueling tough trip you'll ever see.

here's a decent replay of it if you want to see the time frame i am mentioning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RjzNixub5g
you probably already saw this - just to clarify what made me upgrade his Sham slightly

didn't break all that great
(10s - 20seconds) Gomez wanted to see if he could maybe get the lead but then conceded the lead and was unwilling to ask for more horse.

that little bit of a early move also hung him a little wider than needed going into the 1st turn (0:33seconds) in the dreaded 4path (again subtle)

he tries to settle into a relaxed cruise several times on the backstretch but mostly unsuccesful, smart bid kind of slides up and Gomez doesn't want Take the Points too far off of The Pamplemousse

(1:28-142) Gomez gets into Take The Points and makes a real run at Pamplemousse. But he loses stride a little at about 1:42 while Pamplemousse kicks away. This could take a lot out of a chasing horse, but he does an OK job of holding off the admittedly weak competition.



Hes not invincible and I am actually considering playing against if he is to be bet down a whole lot. I would have preferred Lime Rickey be a low favorite and play agianst him and use TTP instead. I like Battle of Hastings and Take The Points as my top two. A couple other longshots are interesting here as well. I figure Take the Points will either settle with the group in good position and cruise around and make 1 closing run at the wire , OR he might just dissapear. I think his runnning style will be a little different from the sustained chaser/grinder he is on dirt.