Nice try Nostradamus

DiscreetCat=Monster · #1 09-09-2006, 08:07 PM

Showing Up will get his butt kicked by older horses if he decides to run in the BC he will just get in the way and make someone else miserable in the process
But watch they will run him they will say well we are gonna half to start faceing older sooner or later and for the a chance at the BC purses you better belive he will be there

hoovesupsideyourhead · #2 09-09-2006, 08:10 PM

my pick today go deputy ran huge and with a better trip will do well in the bc.....

Nostradamus · #3 09-09-2006, 08:32 PM

I will take my beating like a man. I thought he would win and lost $250 on him. I did win it all back in the ninth with my $24 horse I gave out it our picks thread. I also picked Brilliant.

The Showing Up camp was happy with his effort. They just thought he was a little too aggressive. He did run ok but there is a distance question with him. The turf was not very good either. Rumor has it he will try the dirt again. Breeders Cup Classic would be interesting. My brother really thinks he will definitely go in the Breeders Cup Mile.

Danzig · #4 09-09-2006, 08:34 PM

he ought to go in the classic...he's a good horse, but you gotta be much better than good to beat older as a 3 yo....

here's hoping he runs next year, don't see why showing up wouldn't....maybe he can pull a 'lava man' and win gr 1's on both surfaces. of course now i guess we have to say on three surfaces, don't we?

Nostradamus · #5 09-09-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

he ought to go in the classic...he's a good horse, but you gotta be much better than good to beat older as a 3 yo....

here's hoping he runs next year, don't see why showing up wouldn't....maybe he can pull a 'lava man' and win gr 1's on both surfaces. of course now i guess we have to say on three surfaces, don't we?

He will be back next year. There is not huge interest in him as a stallion. His pedigree is not great and he is pretty tiny. He had some soundness issues at 2 also and the owners let Barclay decide everything because they are not that connected to Showing Up. I am pretty sure Barclay would like to have him in the barn next year. They still think he might be a great miler on the dirt.

Danzig · #6 09-09-2006, 08:40 PM

i know i had seen in the past they planned to run him at four, good!

just put him up as one of my picks as a star for next year.

Nostradamus · #7 09-09-2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

i know i had seen in the past they planned to run him at four, good!

just put him up as one of my picks as a star for next year.

Barclay handles him very carefully. He was not healthy at 2. I would like to see him try the dirt again but the turf is easier on him. He was injured twice this year on the dirt and he seems to like the turf a little more. I think he needs to find out if he can't run 12F or if it was just that he didn't like the off turf. I have a gut feeling he will be in the Breeders Cup Turf. He might just need more than 4 weeks between races.

GPK · #8 09-09-2006, 08:45 PM

Sometimes, I really think people forget how difficult it is for a 3YO to beat older horses. Just as there is a maturation process from 2YO-3YO, there is also a difference from age 3-4.

Danzig · #9 09-09-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Sometimes, I really think people forget how difficult it is for a 3YO to beat older horses. Just as there is a maturation process from 2YO-3YO, there is also a difference from age 3-4.

no, not sometimes...a lot of times. and i get pounced on when i encourage caution...but hey, if you're gonna dream, i guess you have to dream big.

GPK · #10 09-09-2006, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

no, not sometimes...a lot of times. and i get pounced on when i encourage caution...but hey, if you're gonna dream, i guess you have to dream big.

True Deb....very true. I think SU is a VERY GOOD 3YO turf horse, but I wouldn't have bet him today with your money....not trying olders for the first time.

Nostradamus · #11 09-09-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Sometimes, I really think people forget how difficult it is for a 3YO to beat older horses. Just as there is a maturation process from 2YO-3YO, there is also a difference from age 3-4.

You should know. English Channel ran a huge race last year and was beaten by Shakespeare by a nose. It looks like the Eclipse is English Channels to lose. He will be deserving if he can win the Turf Classic and hit the board in the Breeders Cup Turf.

GPK · #12 09-09-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

You should know. English Channel ran a huge race last year and was beaten by Shakespeare by a nose. It looks like the Eclipse is English Channels to lose. He will be deserving if he can win the Turf Classic and hit the board in the Breeders Cup Turf.

Indeed. As good as EC was last year as a 3yo, I said over the winter he would have a monster 4YO year, and he has not dissapointed. His 2 losses this year have come in races where they CRAWLED around the track.

ateamstupid · #13 09-09-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

You should know. English Channel ran a huge race last year and was beaten by Shakespeare by a nose. It looks like the Eclipse is English Channels to lose. He will be deserving if he can win the Turf Classic and hit the board in the Breeders Cup Turf.

I disagree with this.. Cacique is just as deserving as of right now, if not more. Two G1s apiece and Cacique beat him in the Million..

GPK · #14 09-09-2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think Cacique made his case today. This is a what have you done for me lately sport, and with EC waiting, and Cacique so impressive today, I think it's Cacique's to lose.

Impressive against a decent horse in Go Deputy, a 3YO in Showing Up, and Cosmonaut????? Not a very good Grade 1 field to make a case with.

#15 09-10-2006, 10:21 AM

its always a riot to listen to you grandstand goofs telling the real horse people what THEY should do with THEIR HORSES ..