I Want revenge

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

PS How good does that make Pioneer of the Nile look now

All it means is that POTN loves synthetic and I Want Revenge prefers dirt.
I'm guessing I Want Revenge would beat POTN on a conventional dirt track

[DeltaBlues]

And when you stop guessing.....then they will fear you.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

All it means is that POTN loves synthetic and I Want Revenge prefers dirt.
I'm guessing I Want Revenge would beat POTN on a conventional dirt track

Think we'll end up seeing that

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

All it means is that POTN loves synthetic and I Want Revenge prefers dirt.
I'm guessing I Want Revenge would beat POTN on a conventional dirt track

not necessarily

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not necessarily

Of course it's just an opinion, if you believe like many people do that POTN is more of a turf horse who has taken to the synthetic tracks in California.

Barring injury, both should be at Churchill on 5/2 and we'll find out.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Of course it's just an opinion, if you believe like many people do that POTN is more of a turf horse who has taken to the synthetic tracks in California.

Barring injury, both should be at Churchill on 5/2 and we'll find out.

POTN though has run on dirt, isnt that a little different case then say IWR?

Now he could have improved as a horse, especially given the trainers ability with three year old colts but I would be a little bit concerned backing POTN at a short price.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

POTN though has run on dirt, isnt that a little different case then say IWR?

Now he could have improved as a horse, especially given the trainers ability with three year old colts but I would be a little bit concerned backing POTN at a short price.

POTN has never raced on dirt and wont until the Derby. His former trainer (Mott) said that he trained fine on dirt before his debut. The only reason he went to grass was because he was looking for a route and the colt was race fit and ready early in the Saratoga meet. The only place to get a route in NY before September is on grass.
IWR handled dirt in NY and was beaten a nose by the "best horse" in Cali (not saying he's the Derby winner, but he's beaten everyone out there except The Pamplmousse) so I think that makes him a legit contender for the classics.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Linny

POTN has never raced on dirt and wont until the Derby. His former trainer (Mott) said that he trained fine on dirt before his debut. The only reason he went to grass was because he was looking for a route and the colt was race fit and ready early in the Saratoga meet. The only place to get a route in NY before September is on grass.
IWR handled dirt in NY and was beaten a nose by the "best horse" in Cali (not saying he's the Derby winner, but he's beaten everyone out there except The Pamplmousse) so I think that makes him a legit contender for the classics.

my bad, for some reason I thought he ran poorly on dirt. Lazy handicapping on my part.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

my bad, for some reason I thought he ran poorly on dirt. Lazy handicapping on my part.

I looked up his training from last season. Before his debut (Aug 4) he worked 5x. Three of the works were on dirt. None were fast but this is Mott and his grass works were not fast either. Between his debut and his maiden win, he worked a slow 4f on dirt then worked 2 more times between his maiden win and his ship to KY for the Keeneland stakes. All his dirt works were at Oklahoma so they look slow as that is a deep surface.