3/7 (AQU): Gotham S. (Gr. III); Toboggan H. (Gr. III)

lemoncrush · #1 03-07-2009, 04:26 PM

Well, Shug apparently wanted to see how Imperial Council would rate and didn't plan on winning. Either that, Or Maragh thought the race was a mile and a quarter.

KirisClown · #2 03-07-2009, 04:28 PM

If I was Shug.. Id be pleased the horses effort..

#3 03-07-2009, 04:30 PM

As a bettor you have to be pleased with Shug if he decided to throw the race. It just makes you want to root for him if that's the case.

But really it's not. The horse isn't good enough.

Bobby Fischer · #4 03-07-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

But really it's not. The horse isn't good enough.

I have to tend to agree here.
Anything resembling a derby contender should have challenged for the win here with this group. I want revenge did seem to run a pretty good race on first viewing. I don't think that Revenge is going to like 10 furlongs but he looked pretty good at 8.5. Imperial Council ran a disappointing race. I don't really consider him a derby horse, but he was still supposed to win this race.

ateamstupid · #5 03-07-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

I don't really consider him a derby horse, but he was still supposed to win this race.

What? He was supposed to win the best Gotham in years (a.) in his first route, (b.) with one sprint race since a long layoff and (c.) off a three-week turnaround and ship? It's not like he ran terribly. He lagged behind and came flying late to nail the place horse. I'm not sure how you can be disappointed with his race.

lemoncrush · #6 03-07-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What? He was supposed to win the best Gotham in years (a.) in his first route, (b.) with one sprint race since a long layoff and (c.) off a three-week turnaround and ship? It's not like he ran terribly. He lagged behind and came flying late to nail the place horse. I'm not sure how you can be disappointed with his race.

I agree..
He was up near the lead in his previous 3 races. Clearly, they wanted to take him back and see how he would do. Whether he's good enough to win the Wood is another question, but they changed tactics today to see if how he would run from way off the pace.

Danzig · #7 03-07-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What? He was supposed to win the best Gotham in years (a.) in his first route, (b.) with one sprint race since a long layoff and (c.) off a three-week turnaround and ship? It's not like he ran terribly. He lagged behind and came flying late to nail the place horse. I'm not sure how you can be disappointed with his race.

i don't see how either. his previous was a 6.5 f race-til today he'd never run past 7f. i think this race may well have set him up for the wood-we shall see.

Bobby Fischer · #8 03-07-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What? He was supposed to win the best Gotham in years (a.) in his first route, (b.) with one sprint race since a long layoff and (c.) off a three-week turnaround and ship? It's not like he ran terribly. He lagged behind and came flying late to nail the place horse. I'm not sure how you can be disappointed with his race.

I'm not disappointed, I thought he ran decent for what he is, but I do think if anyone viewed him as Derby contender, they should probably be disappointed.

He didn't have to beat a good race from I Want Revenge, but (IMO) he should have challenged for the win. IC isn't going to get any better at 9 or 10 furlongs. He also has a little bit of a conformation problem with his stride, and it's my opinion that he really needs to be head and shoulders above in these weaker preps to be projected highly for May.

Danzig · #9 03-07-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

I'm not disappointed, I thought he ran decent for what he is, but I do think if anyone viewed him as Derby contender, they should probably be disappointed.

He didn't have to beat a good race from I Want Revenge, but (IMO) he should have challenged for the win. IC isn't going to get any better at 9 or 10 furlongs. He also has a little bit of a conformation problem with his stride, and it's my opinion that he really needs to be head and shoulders above in these weaker preps to be projected highly for May.

i don't think the gotham was a weaker prep-and i thought IC ran well for his first time routing. whether he's a derby contender i don't know; but i wouldn't take him off of a list at this point.

justindew · #10 03-07-2009, 06:46 PM

I haven't seen the chart but it looked to me like Imperial Council didn't gain any ground on the winner in the final 1/4.

Still, I think he earned the right to move on.

KirisClown · #11 03-07-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

As a bettor you have to be pleased with Shug if he decided to throw the race. It just makes you want to root for him if that's the case.

But really it's not. The horse isn't good enough.

True, the goal was the Gotham.. not the more important future races..

The horse is a disgustingly slow slob..

#12 03-07-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

True, the goal was the Gotham.. not the more important future races..

The horse is a disgustingly slow slob..

Why don't you just go to his stable and blow him?

KirisClown · #13 03-07-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Why don't you just go to his stable and blow him?

Like I've explained to you countless times through PM.... No matter how many times you ask...I will never get into that sort of thing..

Please just let it go..

PeteMugg · #14 03-07-2009, 10:48 PM

Right or wrong I think the betting public will connect IWR's effort today with POTN and Papa Clem.

What are Papa Clem's chances and how will he be bet next week?

#15 03-07-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

Like I've explained to you countless times through PM.... No matter how many times you ask...I will never get into that sort of thing..

Please just let it go..

It's ok. I sometimes break out the pom pom's for horsies I like too.