Prince of Change reaches for dangerous 'retreads!

[quote=timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Selective answers always from you! We can always take the discussion of faith to PM. In any event, your answers are always replete with some fear crap about the religious right. Well it appears that your fearless leader(or clueless) is getting ready to crush the 2nd amendment, and his SOS will take things away from us for our own good(her words) Accuracy?? please tell me what the Wiccan faith has done in 12,000 years to better humanity? ZIP NADA ZILCH....but don't take that personally. No comment about the main text of my post?? I thought not!

Timm.
Christians dont exactly have a stellar record dealing with humanity.

[timmgirvan]

[quote=pgardn]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Timm.
Christians dont exactly have a stellar record dealing with humanity.

Do the scholarship,P! you gonna rack it all up on the crusades? SHEESH

[quote=timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Do the scholarship,P! you gonna rack it all up on the crusades? SHEESH

You mentioned it. I guess it was just a minor blip. Whats 3 or 4 mass
infiltrations looking for heathens. Ahhh just nothing. And what was one of the most important reasons our founding fathers left Europe Timm? What was the dominant religion at that time in Europe Timm?

Im sure you can find many other instances of Christians doing the right thing in the name of God. I will agree that the fundamentals of the Judeo-Christian
ways of the law seem very humane... but cmon...

[timmgirvan]

[quote=pgardn]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

You mentioned it. I guess it was just a minor blip. Whats 3 or 4 mass
infiltrations looking for heathens. Ahhh just nothing. And what was one of the most important reasons our founding fathers left Europe Timm? What was the dominant religion at that time in Europe Timm?

Im sure you can find many other instances of Christians doing the right thing in the name of God. I will agree that the fundamentals of the Judeo-Christian
ways of the law seem very humane... but cmon...

That would be the Roman Catholic church,I believe, that was the major force in the Crusades. Our founding fathers left England because they didn't want a STATE religion foisted on them.

[quote=timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

That would be the Roman Catholic church,I believe, that was the major force in the Crusades. Our founding fathers left England because they didn't want a STATE religion foisted on them.

Yes and that state religion was none other than Christianity.
Just like Islamic countries using the rule of Law of the Koran
as interpreted by them.

Are Roman Catholics Christian Timm?

[timmgirvan]

[quote=pgardn]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Yes and that state religion was none other than Christianity.
Just like Islamic countries using the rule of Law of the Koran
as interpreted by them.

Are Roman Catholics Christian Timm?

The Church of England was a form of Christianity, but ruled more for political
power than anything(short version)
Roman Catholics are Christians, but there are many divisions and schisms in
Christianity as there are in Islam and the rest.

[quote=timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The Church of England was a form of Christianity, but ruled more for political
power than anything(short version)
Roman Catholics are Christians, but there are many divisions and schisms in
Christianity as there are in Islam and the rest.

Yes.
Christians getting into politics.
Using their ideas to sway a political party.
Sound familiar?

[Danzig]

[quote=timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

That would be the Roman Catholic church,I believe, that was the major force in the Crusades. Our founding fathers left England because they didn't want a STATE religion foisted on them.

you're combining two religions in your history. it was c of e before the founders moved on, part of the whole reformation/counter reformation/civil war in england.


and didn't we have religious tolerance tests here? salem witch trials, puritan only enclaves? mass missionary 'attacks' on native americans? and now, we have those who want to attack the muslim religion in this country? yeah, we're really good at that 'all religions are welcome here' thing...matter of fact tim, you're one of those who judges religions different than your own-yet you invoke religions tolerance?! witness your attacks on somers religion. you're a hypocrite.

[Mortimer]

[quote=Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

you're combining two religions in your history. it was c of e before the founders moved on, part of the whole reformation/counter reformation/civil war in england.


and didn't we have religious tolerance tests here? salem witch trials, puritan only enclaves? mass missionary 'attacks' on native americans? and now, we have those who want to attack the muslim religion in this country? yeah, we're really good at that 'all religions are welcome here' thing...matter of fact tim, you're one of those who judges religions different than your own-yet you invoke religions tolerance?! witness your attacks on somers religion. you're a hypocrite.

Do you have really,really long hair?

[Danzig]

[quote=Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Do you have really,really long hair?

not anymore. used to, but got sick of it and got it cut off.

[timmgirvan]

[quote=Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

you're combining two religions in your history. it was c of e before the founders moved on, part of the whole reformation/counter reformation/civil war in england.


and didn't we have religious tolerance tests here? salem witch trials, puritan only enclaves? mass missionary 'attacks' on native americans? and now, we have those who want to attack the muslim religion in this country? yeah, we're really good at that 'all religions are welcome here' thing...matter of fact tim, you're one of those who judges religions different than your own-yet you invoke religions tolerance?! witness your attacks on somers religion. you're a hypocrite.

yada yada yada...just because you're mad at God doesn't give you the right to judge all Christians either. I believe I asked for Somers explanation, not for debate(as you both would have it)but because he has a problem with Christianity. I haven't differentiated some things merely due to lack of space...not because I'm lumping them all together. You continually post your musings, but I don't asnwer them with vitriol. I'm not the final authority on much of anything, so you best take it up with God. You've obviously decided God(big G) isn't going to run your life...swell with me.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

yada yada yada...just because you're mad at God doesn't give you the right to judge all Christians either. I believe I asked for Somers explanation, not for debate(as you both would have it)but because he has a problem with Christianity. I haven't differentiated some things merely due to lack of space...not because I'm lumping them all together. You continually post your musings, but I don't asnwer them with vitriol. I'm not the final authority on much of anything, so you best take it up with God. You've obviously decided God(big G) isn't going to run your life...swell with me.

Z is mad at God?

But you are an authority if you made your God an authority.
What if Z wants to take it up with her God?

[hi_im_god]

i love p.j o'rourke. he's one of the best things conservatism has ever had. he can make an intelligent point and have you laugh at the same time.

i still have holiday's in hell and republican party reptile. i think i've lent out his other books and never got them back.

how did you pick as a siggy the one line where he sounds pissed off and hardly funny at all?

[Danzig]

[quote=timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yada yada yada...just because you're mad at God doesn't give you the right to judge all Christians either. I believe I asked for Somers explanation, not for debate(as you both would have it)but because he has a problem with Christianity. I haven't differentiated some things merely due to lack of space...not because I'm lumping them all together. You continually post your musings, but I don't asnwer them with vitriol. I'm not the final authority on much of anything, so you best take it up with God. You've obviously decided God(big G) isn't going to run your life...swell with me.

how can i be mad at something i don't believe in? and just because somer follows another religion, doesn't mean he has 'a problem' with christianity. it works for you supposedly, so that's good for you. but you might want to go study your teachings more, as jesus offered only love, compassion and forgiveness, as well as lack of being judgemental. do you feel you follow his teachings? i think i believe in all those things-but timmi, i never get the sense from you that you have any compassion for anyone who doesn't believe exactly as you do.