Prop 8 Sucks

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Yes. Ironically though, it was the rise in black voters that pushed it through.

I can not see how ONE black person could vote to not have equal rights... they of all people should understand.

Its sick and they should be ashamed. Anyone who voted Yes for any of these Props (in az, ca and fl) should be very ashamed of themselves.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I can not see how ONE black person could vote to not have equal rights... they of all people should understand.

Its sick and they should be ashamed. Anyone who voted Yes for any of these Props (in az, ca and fl) should be very ashamed of themselves.

I think they vote for the Democrats because of economics. But in all other issues like this, they seem conservative.

[ateamstupid]

I'm shocked, SHOCKED that black people don't like gays. Who woulda thunk it?

What's really sad is that no other race (white, hispanic or asian) could do better than a 50/50 split to make up for the predictably homophobic black vote.

[hi_im_god]

it blows that no one has bitten on the easy jokes about the thread title.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it blows that no one has bitten on the easy jokes about the thread title.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I think they vote for the Democrats because of economics. But in all other issues like this, they seem conservative.

I hear people saying that they are voting dem for the economy and I just don't see it. How is taking my money and spending it on stuff I would never support good for the economy?

Most pols run conservative and govern as liberals

Divorce lawyers are extremely bummed that Prop 8 was voted down but don't worry the gov & courts will ram it down everyone's throat




bad choice fo words

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I hear people saying that they are voting dem for the economy and I just don't see it.

That meant that Blacks traditionally vote for Dems, because Dems care more about the poor than the Reps. One look at the Republican Convention Audience, and they can see exactly who that party favors.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That meant that Blacks traditionally vote for Dems, because Dems care more about the poor than the Reps. One look at the Republican Convention Audience, and they can see exactly who that party favors.

Doesn't mean they weren't invited

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I hear people saying that they are voting dem for the economy and I just don't see it. How is taking my money and spending it on stuff I would never support good for the economy?

Why do you hate our soldiers?

[GenuineRisk]

Seneca Falls was in 1849, and the Nineteenth Amendment wasn't until 1920. Equality takes a while. Was is Dr. King who said the arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice?

This is definitely a step back, which stinks. And I wish the gov't would take away the Mormon church's tax exempt status for this, as it sure seems that they were involving themselves in politics in ways that violate that status. Not to mention the gov't could use the tax money.

Antitrust, I'm with you in that it makes no sense to me- discrimination is discrimination, but, unfortunately, a lot of people don't see it that way. A lot of African-Americans are very religious, and the American Christian faith is not particularly open to homosexuality.

Those of you with newly-minted Democrat representatives (or Republican ones who are social liberals), it would be worth writing them and asking them to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act. It was a bad law; one of the worst days work Clinton ever was did signing it, and it needs to go. Time for two more steps forward.

[fpsoxfan]

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[GenuineRisk]

Interesting article from fivethirtyeight.com dispelling the idea that Prop 8 is the fault of minority voters:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/...p-8-myths.html

Fivethirtyeight was frighteningly accurate in its predictions about the election. There was an article in New York Magazine about the founder- he started as a baseball stat compiler.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Why do you hate our soldiers?

I don't know, why don't you ask them?
oh wait- you can't

so your logic is ?

The majority of the tax dollars goes to the military?

What if the majority of spending shifts away from the military ?

Will the person doing the tax dollar shift away from the military hate our soldiers?

My thinking is that the military is just one thing. it may cost the most but it is still one thing my tax dollars go to. When I say I disagree with the majority of stuff the government spends my money on, I mean all the other bs programs like public education <The public schools in my area are nothing more than drop out factories with a 49% graduation rate. >

as for the topic at hand... If gays can marry, when will people be allowed to marry their pets? (Who are you to judge )

Where I work ~ gay co-habitation couples are allowed to claim their partners on their healthcare benefits but.............

if you are just living with your girlfriend/ boyfriend and are not gay you cannot.

I guess it's because gays cannot get married where a couple living together can and choose not to.

Why should people, that choose to be gay, given benefits that "straight" people who choose not to get married are denied.

[Mike]

I'm having trouble understanding why more than two persons can't enter into a marriage. Can someone help me to understand why wwe can't have polygamous marriages if all parties are consenting adults?

No moral objections, please

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mike

I'm having trouble understanding why more than two persons can't enter into a marriage. Can someone help me to understand why wwe can't have polygamous marriages if all parties are consenting adults?

No moral objections, please

i've never really thought about it to be honest with you. i'd never enter into one. i can't imagine sharing my husband with another woman. i just don't see it working.
some people might. but then, some people are into lots of things. i don't see a compelling reason to allow it imo.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Mike

I'm having trouble understanding why more than two persons can't enter into a marriage. Can someone help me to understand why wwe can't have polygamous marriages if all parties are consenting adults?

No moral objections, please

I had a hard enough time having one wife...I will pass on multiples wives

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I don't know, why don't you ask them?
oh wait- you can't

so your logic is ?

The majority of the tax dollars goes to the military?

What if the majority of spending shifts away from the military ?

Will the person doing the tax dollar shift away from the military hate our soldiers?

My thinking is that the military is just one thing. it may cost the most but it is still one thing my tax dollars go to. When I say I disagree with the majority of stuff the government spends my money on, I mean all the other bs programs like public education <The public schools in my area are nothing more than drop out factories with a 49% graduation rate. >

as for the topic at hand... If gays can marry, when will people be allowed to marry their pets? (Who are you to judge )

Where I work ~ gay co-habitation couples are allowed to claim their partners on their healthcare benefits but.............

if you are just living with your girlfriend/ boyfriend and are not gay you cannot.

I guess it's because gays cannot get married where a couple living together can and choose not to.

Why should people, that choose to be gay, given benefits that "straight" people who choose not to get married are denied.

lori? a choice? i've always argued that you're born that way...but you know, i've never asked anyone.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lori? a choice? i've always argued that you're born that way...but you know, i've never asked anyone.

I saw that... almost responded to him but didnt have the energy at the time..

If it was a choice I'd be with men in a second... they are MUCH easier to deal with than women IMO... less hormonal changes and what not.

Men are easier to understand (again my opinion) - and maybe that is because my brain works like a mans.


But then again... I do have the choice to be with a man regardless of how my heart and sex organs feel. But then I'd be uncomfortable my whole life and living a lie.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Wow. You really said a mouthful here.

Your last sentence belongs in some kind of Hall of Shame.

along with the marrying pets sentence...

people like Wingnut and cmfwhatever and Bush make me feel ashamed to be a republican

[Antitrust32]

I will add that I agree with Wingnut... that if gay couples in a domestic partnership are allowed to get med insurance benefits... than straight couples in domestic partnerships should also get the same benefits.

I'm for equality for all.. not more rights for gays, and less rights for hetero's.

Equal for all.


but wingnut.. that choice comment you made was absurd & and sure as heck doesnt help your argument or cred.