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Old 08-25-2006, 01:28 PM
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If it's true what the trainer said about him being a couple of works short of ready for his best, this is scary. This is the best horse currently running in America. It wasn't who he beat, which wasn't much, but it was how he did it. I've seen riders ask for more in workouts. He was standing up, looking under his legs and over his shoulders to see what was back there. Under a long reign, he was still drawing off and running fast. That was ridiculous. Looks like the track might be a little on the quick side but still, 1:21.53 is fast. Final 8th was in 12.15. These numbers don't mean much if u didn't see how easy it was. Baedecker (sp) is on TVG now mentioning the names Secretariat and Seattle Slew. This is crazy.
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:33 PM
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Can anyone say URINATION?...cause that is what he did to that group...wow...what a cast of horses the Shieks have now...Oh, what a cast....unreal how strong they are this year...finallly came around after spending all that cash....
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:39 PM
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....unreal how strong they are this year...finallly came around after spending all that cash....
works for the yankees every once in awhile too....
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:41 PM
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The most impressive part ...

... was the final furlong in :12.1 ... effortlessly.

If he can carry that speed around two turns against quality opposition ... and his bloodlines say he should ... there's no limit to his potential.
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:46 PM
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The most impressive part ...

... was the final furlong in :12.1 ... effortlessly.

If he can carry that speed around two turns against quality opposition ... and his bloodlines say he should ... there's no limit to his potential.
I don't know BB..Not too many Forestry's can get the 10 furlongs.
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:49 PM
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I don't know BB..Not too many Forestry's can get the 10 furlongs.
Look at the rest of his pedigree ...

... Pleasant Colony, Damascus, Dr. Fager, Buckpasser, Private Account, In Reality, Tom Rolfe ...

... some of them could run pretty well around two turns.


P.S. Not to mention Northern Dancer ... Sword Dancer ... and Secretariat.
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:51 PM
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Good time to remember this quote from Invasor's trainer after the Suburban:

"He was most impressive," McLaughlin said of Invasor's performance on Saturday. "I was impressed last time and surprised, but today I was even more impressed. He's the real deal. I don't know how I got him beat, but maybe I should say we don't want to see Discreet Cat anywhere."
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:58 PM
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Good time to remember this quote from Invasor's trainer after the Suburban:

"He was most impressive," McLaughlin said of Invasor's performance on Saturday. "I was impressed last time and surprised, but today I was even more impressed. He's the real deal. I don't know how I got him beat, but maybe I should say we don't want to see Discreet Cat anywhere."
King ... after this year ...

... you may have to revise your Top Five ... or cut it off as of 2005.
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:54 PM
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Discreet Cat's eight great-great grandfathers ...

... Northern Dancer ... Secretariat ... His Majesty ... Dr. Fager ... Sword Dancer ... Buckpasser ... In Reality ... Tom Rolfe.

Says "two-turns" to me.
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Old 08-25-2006, 02:05 PM
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Discreet Cat's eight great-great grandfathers ...

... Northern Dancer ... Secretariat ... His Majesty ... Dr. Fager ... Sword Dancer ... Buckpasser ... In Reality ... Tom Rolfe.

Says "two-turns" to me.
Everyone of those guys certainly do..
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:49 PM
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The most impressive part ...

... was the final furlong in :12.1 ... effortlessly.

If he can carry that speed around two turns against quality opposition ... and his bloodlines say he should ... there's no limit to his potential.
He already has...against Invasor, unless you don't think he is quality opposition.
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:51 PM
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He already has...against Invasor, unless you don't think he is quality opposition.
Yes, he won easily at 1 1/8 miles in the UAE Derby. We know he can get 9 furlongs. The only question is whether he can get 10 furlongs.
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:56 PM
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He already has...against Invasor, unless you don't think he is quality opposition.
I forgot he was in that race ... thanks.
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Old 08-25-2006, 07:06 PM
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He already has...against Invasor, unless you don't think he is quality opposition.
No way. Dubai Derby is a 9f around one turn.
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Old 08-25-2006, 07:09 PM
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the uae derby is 10f
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Old 08-25-2006, 07:48 PM
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the uae derby is 10f
Ann's right, they shortened it up this year.
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Old 08-25-2006, 02:06 PM
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If it's true what the trainer said about him being a couple of works short of ready for his best, this is scary. This is the best horse currently running in America. It wasn't who he beat, which wasn't much, but it was how he did it. I've seen riders ask for more in workouts. He was standing up, looking under his legs and over his shoulders to see what was back there. Under a long reign, he was still drawing off and running fast. That was ridiculous. Looks like the track might be a little on the quick side but still, 1:21.53 is fast. Final 8th was in 12.15. These numbers don't mean much if u didn't see how easy it was. Baedecker (sp) is on TVG now mentioning the names Secretariat and Seattle Slew. This is crazy.

Best horse is running tomorrow - it will be fun to see. However, Secretariat and Slew? They need to calm down - neither colt is anywhere close to that yet.
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Old 08-25-2006, 02:12 PM
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Best horse is running tomorrow - it will be fun to see. However, Secretariat and Slew? They need to calm down - neither colt is anywhere close to that yet.
How do u know they aren't close to that yet? They could be better already. They just don't have the same accomplishments obviously but who's to say they don't have more talent? I will grant u that it's unlikely they are as good as Secretariat or Slew but not impossible. I'm sure after Secretariat and Slew's first races, if anyone had said they were in the class of Man O' War or Citation, people would have said it's too early to say that but look how it ended up. Great horses are great horses from the start. If, at the end of his career, Discreet Cat shows he deserves to be mentioned with the all-time greats, then the talent is there now.
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Old 08-25-2006, 02:22 PM
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I'm sure after Secretariat and Slew's first races, if anyone had said they were in the class of Man O' War or Citation, people would have said it's too early to say that but look how it ended up.
King ...

Go to the "Charles Hatton Reading Room" and read my anecdote about him ... you'll be amazed.

And Seattle Slew ... like Ruffian ... was considered to be a wonder horse ... or potentially one ... right after his first start.

And ... of course ... I spotted Bernardini's abundant talent while watching him break his maiden. You surely remember that from the "other" forum.
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Old 08-25-2006, 02:30 PM
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Oh man! If only those two horses were facing off tomorrow in the Travers, that would be the race of the year, man how good are Bernardini and Discreet Cat, the great thing about the Sheiks owning them instead of those greedy Coolmore guys, is they actually LOVE to race their horses, it could be a great rivalry next year as well!!!!!
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