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[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

It wasn't to the dam of Capote's Crown who was being sold and a Grade 1 stakes placing would have sent the cost up another 3 million dollars.

Sorry to digress, but I'm confused as to how Capote's Crown getting third in a Grade 1 would have elevated her dam's price by three million dollars. What am I missing?

[ELA]

When a jock doesn't fully ride out a horse -- in the example of a filly/mare -- in a graded stake, costing the horse 3rd and winding up 4th, yes, we all know the costs. The jock, absent of some immediate concern or problem, is 100% to blame.

Have I seen it happen? Yes. Have I seen it happen in overnight races? Yes.

Question -- if a jock is called out by the stewards for not fully riding out to the wire, does the jock always get days, or is just a fine (with no days) a possibile penalty?

Eric

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Sorry to digress, but I'm confused as to how Capote's Crown getting third in a Grade 1 would have elevated her dam's price by three million dollars. What am I missing?

Good Question. It had to do with breeding, getting the grade one placing, that negoiation that was going on during that meet. Multiple factors actually. But if you see Chris McCarron, ask him he taught the course to help emphasize the importance of a jockey's ride as extending further than just a particular race. By the way, caught the Siro's gig when I was in Saratoga for the week a couple of weeks ago. Good job. Interesting show. I may catch it again on Saturday. Trying to find a horse to beat Curlin.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

Good Question. It had to do with breeding, getting the grade one placing, that negoiation that was going on during that meet. Multiple factors actually. But if you see Chris McCarron, ask him he taught the course to help emphasize the importance of a jockey's ride as extending further than just a particular race. By the way, caught the Siro's gig when I was in Saratoga for the week a couple of weeks ago. Good job. Interesting show. I may catch it again on Saturday. Trying to find a horse to beat Curlin.

Thanks.... but it was a rhetorical question.

Desourmeaux's failing to ride out mounts is more than unfortunate. It did not, however, make the dam of Capote's Crown worth 3 million dollars less. You do realize her value had little to do with Capote's Crown I assume.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Thanks.... but it was a rhetorical question.

Desourmeaux's failing to ride out mounts is more than unfortunate. It did not, however, make the dam of Capote's Crown worth 3 million dollars less. You do realize her value had little to do with Capote's Crown I assume.

I really don't. If the dam produces a grade 1 placing from her off-spring, her value does increase. That would only make sense. Doesn't it?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

I really don't. If the dam produces a grade 1 placing from her off-spring, her value does increase. That would only make sense. Doesn't it?

Having a foal finish third in a Grade 1 is not going to add three million dollars of value to a dam's worth.

That particular dam's value was established by two other foals of her's. If Capote's Crown had wings, and won a Grade 1 ( she was a very mediocre horse ), that would have added to the mare's value. However, considering her progeny, Capote's Crown ( even with a third in a Grade 1 ) was hardly going to increase her value substantially....and nowhere close to three million dollars.

You do realize we're talking about the dam of Smoke Glacken.....don't you?

[blackthroatedwind]

By the way, the most important reason Desormeaux did not affect the dam's value if he cost Capote's Crown a Grade 1 placing is probably that she was 21 years old at the time.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Having a foal finish third in a Grade 1 is not going to add three million dollars of value to a dam's worth.

That particular dam's value was established by two other foals of her's. If Capote's Crown had wings, and won a Grade 1 ( she was a very mediocre horse ), that would have added to the mare's value. However, considering her progeny, Capote's Crown ( even with a third in a Grade 1 ) was hardly going to increase her value substantially....and nowhere close to three million dollars.

You do realize we're talking about the dam of Smoke Glacken.....don't you?

and smokey glacken

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

and smokey glacken

Obviously.

Didn't a half win here over the last couple of weeks? I know one ran.