Report: Dutrow Facing Drug Positive

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If the industry allows the trainers to practice there trade then the industry is ok that they served the proper penalty and should be allowed to earn a living again.. what is worse Florida, NY or KY allowing Dutrow to continue to train or owners giving him horses? If he couldn't train in the state the owners can't give him horses right?

Look I wouldn't let Dutrow train my horse but I really think I would let Biancone.. I maybe crazy but I think Biancone is worth the risk

Are you serious? Biancone has been banned from two countries. Plus do you know what Cobra Venum does? It deadens the nerve endings that allow a horse to experience pain. In other words, a horse won't be able to take the necessary precautions once they feel pain. He is far more of a problem than Dutrow. Far worse. And he cann't even take responsiblity. He lets the Vet take the hit.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

Are you serious? Biancone has been banned from two countries. Plus do you know what Cobra Venum does? It deadens the nerve endings that allow a horse to experience pain. In other words, a horse won't be able to take the necessary precautions once they feel pain. He is far more of a problem than Dutrow. Far worse. And he cann't even take responsiblity. He lets the Vet take the hit.

I am not defending what he did..Just suggesting that I would let him train my horse if I had stock that was worthy of his talent. I wouldn't allow him to juice my horse! I would just tell him no juice.. People make mistakes and come to tink of it I think nerve blocks are given to horses in non threaten locations all the time to prevent them from experiencing discomfort in a non strategic area.. Let's say a horse broke his tail what is the harm in deadening the nerves and running him?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I am not defending what he did..Just suggesting that I would let him train my horse if I had stock that was worthy of his talent. I wouldn't allow him to juice my horse! I would just tell him no juice.. People make mistakes and come to tink of it I think nerve blocks are given to horses in non threaten locations all the time to prevent them from experiencing discomfort in a non strategic area.. Let's say a horse broke his tail what is the harm in deadening the nerves and running him?

You think owners are always in on that decision?

[ELA]

Originally Posted by GBBob

You think owners are always in on that decision?

Of course not. Another reason why it appears that the owner's only choice is to use a trainer who the moral majority accepts.

Where do you draw the line?

Eric

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ELA

Of course not. Another reason why it appears that the owner's only choice is to use a trainer who the moral majority accepts.

Where do you draw the line?

Eric

I understand his logic (I think) , but I'm surprised that Freddy goes from saying that Biancone is a good horseman to that he would give him horses, if he could. These types of decisions are made in sports all the time and that's why some teams won't deal with the Pacmans, Bonds etc and others will. Guilt by association sucks, but that's the risk you run by going with Dutrow, Biancone, etc

[ELA]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I understand his logic (I think) , but I'm surprised that Freddy goes from saying that Biancone is a good horseman to that he would give him horses, if he could. These types of decisions are made in sports all the time and that's why some teams won't deal with the Pacmans, Bonds etc and others will. Guilt by association sucks, but that's the risk you run by going with Dutrow, Biancone, etc

Hey listen, I don't have a dog in the Biancone fight, LOL. I know the guy, we say hello, talk a bit, etc. A friend of mine owns horses with him.

I think there is a big difference between the Biancone situation and a clenbuterol positive -- even the former with multiple clenbuterol positives.

Eric

These "owners" that jump into this game that are already high profile or are wannabe high profile, dont give a flying flip about the welfare of the animal. They want to be noticed.
They dont care what the trainer does to
the horse cause they want to be noticed.

If the game were only about making bucks, 95% of
the owners would/should stop with the game. Same with
those that are wagering.