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Echo Farm 06-25-2008 07:15 AM

Report: Dutrow Facing Drug Positive
 
More good publicity for racing.


Quote:

A horse trained by Rick Dutrow tested positive for twice the allowable level of the bronchodilator clenbuterol, which helps burn fat and promote muscle growth, the New York Times reported June 25.

The Kentucky Horse Racing Authority will issue the ruling June 25, suspend Dutrow for 15 days, and demand the horse’s owner to return the $20,000 in purse earnings, racing officials told the newspaper.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/article/45863.htm

The strange thing (I hadn't noticed it before) is that the Bloodhorse
is getting information from the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/sp...ts&oref=slogin

philcski 06-25-2008 07:26 AM

Dutrow...
 
Gets a positive in Kentucky.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/sp...ts&oref=slogin

"Reached by phone Tuesday, Dutrow acknowledged that his horse, Salute the Count, tested positive after a second-place finish in the Grade III Aegon Turf Sprint and took responsibility."

"Veitch said the level of clenbuterol found in Salute the Count was the highest he had seen in four years as chief steward. He said the testing lab at Iowa State University said Salute the Count had 41 petragrams of the medication in his system, more than twice the level of 20 allowed in Kentucky."

"Salute the Count has won 11 times in 41 starts, but his biggest successes came two years ago when Dutrow began training him. He went from winning a $20,000 claimer to three stakes victories."

Biggest shocker of the whole story there :rolleyes:

Scav 06-25-2008 07:28 AM

I would think the amount is more telling then the actually positive...twice over the limit. That is kinda like driving when you have drank 15 beers. 5-6 beers and you are questionable at the level, but 15, you know you are giong to get busted if caught.

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-25-2008 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
I would think the amount is more telling then the actually positive...twice over the limit. That is kinda like driving when you have drank 15 beers. 5-6 beers and you are questionable at the level, but 15, you know you are giong to get busted if caught.

hes the {24} of the juiceing world..and he dont care ,hes got cash now

ALostTexan 06-25-2008 08:01 AM

Just read about this. Seriously, can racing just get a break this year?

The Bid 06-25-2008 08:17 AM

It doesnt deserve a break. Its a disgrace

parsixfarms 06-25-2008 08:41 AM

Here's the problematic statement from John Veitch:

Veitch said the 15-day suspension and return of the purse money was the penalty for a first offense, according to Kentucky rules.

Only in racing is he viewed as a first time offender. Yet another meaningless slap on the wrist.

Scav 06-25-2008 08:44 AM

thinking out loud, but why couldn't the fine/penalty increase for the amount of overage. I mean listen, a couple pentagrams or whatever they measured in over and I think it is understandable, when it is an ALLOWABLE medication, but when you are twice the legal limit, you are playing games.

Could this work, like if you are 50% over the allowable limit, hit them with a 50k fine and if they are 100% over, hit them with 100k

Just throwing an option against the wall so I don't want to hear how moronic I am.

kagbr 06-25-2008 08:44 AM

Is it any wonder Congress has to step in to this ? A ship without a rudder.

SniperSB23 06-25-2008 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
thinking out loud, but why couldn't the fine/penalty increase for the amount of overage. I mean listen, a couple pentagrams or whatever they measured in over and I think it is understandable, when it is an ALLOWABLE medication, but when you are twice the legal limit, you are playing games.

Could this work, like if you are 50% over the allowable limit, hit them with a 50k fine and if they are 100% over, hit them with 100k

Just throwing an option against the wall so I don't want to hear how moronic I am.

You are being completely moronic to suggest that racing might do something that makes sense.

parsixfarms 06-25-2008 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
thinking out loud, but why couldn't the fine/penalty increase for the amount of overage. I mean listen, a couple pentagrams or whatever they measured in over and I think it is understandable, when it is an ALLOWABLE medication, but when you are twice the legal limit, you are playing games.

Could this work, like if you are 50% over the allowable limit, hit them with a 50k fine and if they are 100% over, hit them with 100k

Just throwing an option against the wall so I don't want to hear how moronic I am.

It's probably because of maximum penalties that are already prescribed by law/regulation. In NY, for example, a recent law was passed by the legislature to up the maximum penalties for certain offenses from $5,000 per incident to $20,000 per incident.

freddymo 06-25-2008 08:54 AM

The real penalty will be when IEAH leave him because of the negative publicity they are most certainly going to receive

Scav 06-25-2008 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsixfarms
It's probably because of maximum penalties that are already prescribed by law/regulation. In NY, for example, a recent law was passed by the legislature to up the maximum penalties for certain offenses from $5,000 per incident to $20,000 per incident.

Yeah that is probably correct....I really think the key is getting these state racing boards together somewhere and forming some sort of statewide racing control board where everything is in sync, medication levels are all the same, fines are prorated towards purse structure (obviously a fine at Arlington wouldn't be the same at Saratoga)

It is just like when two companies merge, gotta get them on the same page or craziness ensues

parsixfarms 06-25-2008 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
The real penalty will be when IEAH leave him because of the negative publicity they are most certainly going to receive

But where will they go; Patrick Biancone doesn't come off his suspension until later this year.

SentToStud 06-25-2008 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
The real penalty will be when IEAH leave him because of the negative publicity they are most certainly going to receive

You are right....

It's sad to think they're not gonna make it.
But it's getting to the point
Where they just can't fake it.
For some ungodly reason
they won't let it die....

There can be no way
There can be no way
this can have a happy ending.....

The Bid 06-25-2008 09:22 AM

Im sure IEAH will leave him (sarcastic)..... Those guys are lucky they have a guy like Dutrow to right the ship. Without certain particulars in place they would be like West Point until their lucky year. Its mindboggling how lucky they have been with as little comprehension as they have for the game. Dutrow is invaluable to IEAH's success, without him they are pretty much zeros

Scav 06-25-2008 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
Im sure IEAH will leave him (sarcastic)..... Those guys are lucky they have a guy like Dutrow to right the ship. Without certain particulars in place they would be like West Point until their lucky year. Its mindboggling how lucky they have been with as little comprehension as they have for the game. Dutrow is invaluable to IEAH's success, without him they are pretty much zeros

I love it!!

The Bid 06-25-2008 09:31 AM

Its the truth, you cannot buy Rick Dutrow a bad horse because whatever he does works on anything. He has the magic wand, whats at the tip of that magic wand is anyones guess.

MaTH716 06-25-2008 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kagbr
Is it any wonder Congress has to step in to this ? A ship without a rudder.

Yeah, because there is nothing else wrong in the country! :rolleyes:

freddymo 06-25-2008 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
Im sure IEAH will leave him (sarcastic)..... Those guys are lucky they have a guy like Dutrow to right the ship. Without certain particulars in place they would be like West Point until their lucky year. Its mindboggling how lucky they have been with as little comprehension as they have for the game. Dutrow is invaluable to IEAH's success, without him they are pretty much zeros


Dutrow will not be training for IEAH in the near future and they will send their stock away.. They use other people already.. Ivarone and his clones will get with Dutrow and his vetinary machine in another capacity with different investors who understand the risk..


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