Report: Dutrow Facing Drug Positive - Page 2

parsixfarms · #21 06-25-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Its the truth, you cannot buy Rick Dutrow a bad horse because whatever he does works on anything. He has the magic wand, whats at the tip of that magic wand is anyones guess.

It's the same wand that Juan Rodriguez will be waving shortly.

Cannon Shell · #22 06-25-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

thinking out loud, but why couldn't the fine/penalty increase for the amount of overage. I mean listen, a couple pentagrams or whatever they measured in over and I think it is understandable, when it is an ALLOWABLE medication, but when you are twice the legal limit, you are playing games.

Could this work, like if you are 50% over the allowable limit, hit them with a 50k fine and if they are 100% over, hit them with 100k

Just throwing an option against the wall so I don't want to hear how moronic I am.

A 50k fine? A 100k fine? Are you serious?

The Bid · #23 06-25-2008, 09:46 AM

Freddy, they may use others but there is noway any of the others will have half the success of Dutrow. I think IEAH actually thinks they are the reason they are winning all these races. They think Dutrow is just a small piece of the puzzle, boy will they be sorry when they go somewhere else.

Who can take the IEAH horses and do what Dutrow has done for them. Dutrow put these guys on the map, be it honestly, cheating, whatever. They have bought a lot of bad horses that Dutrow has made much better than they actually are. Dutrow and his wand are the main reason for IEAH's success

Cannon Shell · #24 06-25-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Freddy, they may use others but there is noway any of the others will have half the success of Dutrow. I think IEAH actually thinks they are the reason they are winning all these races. They think Dutrow is just a small piece of the puzzle, boy will they be sorry when they go somewhere else.

That attitude is the reason that these guys have barns full of horses. We can scream our outrage and cry to Congress but that attitude is what allows these issues to not reglate themselves.

The Bid · #25 06-25-2008, 09:50 AM

Cannon

Its not my attitude, its the truth. This industry just needs regulation. You know there is noway in hell these guys will leave Dutrow and have the same success, its impossible. With the testing the way it is now they cannot possibly leave and be as successful somewhere else. If everythings done honestly I wouldnt think that, but the way things stand there is no shot

freddymo · #26 06-25-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That attitude is the reason that these guys have barns full of horses. We can scream our outrage and cry to Congress but that attitude is what allows these issues to not reglate themselves.

Chuck the reason why trainers have barns full of horses is mostly due to success.. The more you win the more people want you to win with more money.. It has nothing to do with attitude.. Nobody likes to lose money and the only barns that have waiting lists for clients are the ones that have outstanding numbers..

IEAH is going to leave Dutrow IMO...

freddymo · #27 06-25-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Cannon

Its not my attitude, its the truth. This industry just needs regulation. You know there is noway in hell these guys will leave Dutrow and have the same success, its impossible. With the testing the way it is now they cannot possibly leave and be as successful somewhere else. If everythings done honestly I wouldnt think that, but the way things stand there is no shot

Maybe Shug is looking to leave Phipps? lol

The Bid · #28 06-25-2008, 10:03 AM

I would laugh till I pissed if they left Dutrow. It will be a rude awakening. I hope you are right Freddy. We should be anticipating John Terranova winning G1s and international races shortly. Excellent.

freddymo · #29 06-25-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

But where will they go; Patrick Biancone doesn't come off his suspension until later this year.

I wish I could have Patrick train a horse for me..That guy is a genius..imo

freddymo · #30 06-25-2008, 10:11 AM

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I would laugh till I pissed if they left Dutrow. It will be a rude awakening. I hope you are right Freddy. We should be anticipating John Terranova winning G1s and international races shortly. Excellent.

Honestly I have been told that Rick Dutrow is a terrific horseman perhaps one of the best.. Unfortunately it appears that he isn't willing to rely solely on his skills. BID there are a ton of great horseman that could make IEAH work.. How about James Jerkins with a last name like Jerkins how bad could he be? lol

Handicappy · #31 06-25-2008, 10:12 AM

Whether he is the reason for their success or not, he may have accomplished it with the assistance of drugs that will be banned shortly. The playing field will get level. IEAH will have to dump Dutrow. I assume they may have been looking for a way to dump him. There is no question about it. There are plenty of very good trainers out there doing it without all the drugs.

The Bid · #32 06-25-2008, 10:12 AM

He is a genius. Anyone who can only get 6 months for having cobra venom in his barn is a genius. If they caught some zero over there with cobra venom they would be flipping burgers at Wendys until they were 65

Freddy as good as Jerkins or any top guy is they simply cannot offset the wand of Dutrow. Im not saying they wouldnt win races, but they will not be as prolific as Dutrow has been.

I also think Dutrows wand could wave far past a raceday medication which everyone gives. Who says the stuff that moves these horses up such a significant amount is an extra cc of lasix, or a little extra clen.

Handicappy · #33 06-25-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

He is a genius. Anyone who can only get 6 months for having cobra venom in his barn is a genius. If they caught some zero over there with cobra venom they would be flipping burgers at Wendys until they were 65

"THE GENIUS" is banned from riding in two countries due to cheating. Funny how we tolerate these guys who don't give a crap about the animal or the sport.

Handicappy · #34 06-25-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Honestly I have been told that Rick Dutrow is a terrific horseman perhaps one of the best.. Unfortunately it appears that he isn't willing to rely solely on his skills. BID there are a ton of great horseman that could make IEAH work.. How about James Jerkins with a last name like Jerkins how bad could he be? lol

Totally Agree

parsixfarms · #35 06-25-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I wish I could have Patrick train a horse for me..That guy is a genius..imo

With what species: horses or snakes?

Cannon Shell · #36 06-25-2008, 10:16 AM

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Cannon

Its not my attitude, its the truth. This industry just needs regulation. You know there is noway in hell these guys will leave Dutrow and have the same success, its impossible. With the testing the way it is now they cannot possibly leave and be as successful somewhere else. If everythings done honestly I wouldnt think that, but the way things stand there is no shot

Absolutely not true. If people werent so concerned that they would not have the "edge" they would leave. The perception that these guys have an advantage is why owners ignore these kinds of issues. It isnt like there arent trainers out there that arent successful that dont have issues like dutrow and Assmussen. Regulation is a not going to do anything if the people who pay the bills (owners and bettors) either dont care about changing things. If you keep betting than you are sending the signal that you dont care about it. If owners dont change trainers with terrible records of violations, they are showing they dont care how they win. It is on them.

Bobby Fischer · #37 06-25-2008, 10:17 AM

Maybe there is a bad batch of masking agent going around?

freddymo · #38 06-25-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Handicappy

"THE GENIUS" is banned from riding in two countries due to cheating. Funny how we tolerate these guys who don't give a crap about the animal or the sport.

The cobra venom was a gift from the snake hunter guy on the discovery channel.. apparently in some cultures giving snake venom from a King Cobra is the ultimate sign of respect.. It's unfair to accuse Biancone for anything other then knowing a guy who understands a special culture.. I thought everyone knew the REAL snake juice story...

I don't care how many country's have tossed him the guy is an amazing conditioner

freddymo · #39 06-25-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

With what species: horses or snakes?

Never liked snakes my second wife had a Boa and that should have been a warning to me that she would turn out to be bad news.. Patrick Biacone is a great horse trainer

Scav · #40 06-25-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

The cobra venom was a gift from the snake hunter guy on the discovery channel.. apparently in some cultures giving snake venom from a King Cobra is the ultimate sign of respect.. It's unfair to accuse Biancone for anything other then knowing a guy who understands a special culture.. I thought everyone knew the REAL snake juice story...

I don't care how many country's have tossed him the guy is an amazing conditioner

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