Report: Dutrow Facing Drug Positive

The Bid · #1 06-25-2008, 09:50 AM

Cannon

Its not my attitude, its the truth. This industry just needs regulation. You know there is noway in hell these guys will leave Dutrow and have the same success, its impossible. With the testing the way it is now they cannot possibly leave and be as successful somewhere else. If everythings done honestly I wouldnt think that, but the way things stand there is no shot

freddymo · #2 06-25-2008, 09:59 AM

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Cannon

Its not my attitude, its the truth. This industry just needs regulation. You know there is noway in hell these guys will leave Dutrow and have the same success, its impossible. With the testing the way it is now they cannot possibly leave and be as successful somewhere else. If everythings done honestly I wouldnt think that, but the way things stand there is no shot

Maybe Shug is looking to leave Phipps? lol

The Bid · #3 06-25-2008, 10:03 AM

I would laugh till I pissed if they left Dutrow. It will be a rude awakening. I hope you are right Freddy. We should be anticipating John Terranova winning G1s and international races shortly. Excellent.

freddymo · #4 06-25-2008, 10:11 AM

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I would laugh till I pissed if they left Dutrow. It will be a rude awakening. I hope you are right Freddy. We should be anticipating John Terranova winning G1s and international races shortly. Excellent.

Honestly I have been told that Rick Dutrow is a terrific horseman perhaps one of the best.. Unfortunately it appears that he isn't willing to rely solely on his skills. BID there are a ton of great horseman that could make IEAH work.. How about James Jerkins with a last name like Jerkins how bad could he be? lol

Handicappy · #5 06-25-2008, 10:15 AM

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Honestly I have been told that Rick Dutrow is a terrific horseman perhaps one of the best.. Unfortunately it appears that he isn't willing to rely solely on his skills. BID there are a ton of great horseman that could make IEAH work.. How about James Jerkins with a last name like Jerkins how bad could he be? lol

Totally Agree

Handicappy · #6 06-25-2008, 10:12 AM

Whether he is the reason for their success or not, he may have accomplished it with the assistance of drugs that will be banned shortly. The playing field will get level. IEAH will have to dump Dutrow. I assume they may have been looking for a way to dump him. There is no question about it. There are plenty of very good trainers out there doing it without all the drugs.

Cannon Shell · #7 06-25-2008, 10:23 AM

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Whether he is the reason for their success or not, he may have accomplished it with the assistance of drugs that will be banned shortly. The playing field will get level. IEAH will have to dump Dutrow. I assume they may have been looking for a way to dump him. There is no question about it. There are plenty of very good trainers out there doing it without all the drugs.

Actually it wont

Cannon Shell · #8 06-25-2008, 10:16 AM

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Cannon

Its not my attitude, its the truth. This industry just needs regulation. You know there is noway in hell these guys will leave Dutrow and have the same success, its impossible. With the testing the way it is now they cannot possibly leave and be as successful somewhere else. If everythings done honestly I wouldnt think that, but the way things stand there is no shot

Absolutely not true. If people werent so concerned that they would not have the "edge" they would leave. The perception that these guys have an advantage is why owners ignore these kinds of issues. It isnt like there arent trainers out there that arent successful that dont have issues like dutrow and Assmussen. Regulation is a not going to do anything if the people who pay the bills (owners and bettors) either dont care about changing things. If you keep betting than you are sending the signal that you dont care about it. If owners dont change trainers with terrible records of violations, they are showing they dont care how they win. It is on them.

freddymo · #9 06-25-2008, 10:22 AM

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Absolutely not true. If people werent so concerned that they would not have the "edge" they would leave. The perception that these guys have an advantage is why owners ignore these kinds of issues. It isnt like there arent trainers out there that arent successful that dont have issues like dutrow and Assmussen. Regulation is a not going to do anything if the people who pay the bills (owners and bettors) either dont care about changing things. If you keep betting than you are sending the signal that you dont care about it. If owners dont change trainers with terrible records of violations, they are showing they dont care how they win. It is on them.

Just win baby "al davis"

parsixfarms · #10 06-25-2008, 10:23 AM

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Absolutely not true. If people werent so concerned that they would not have the "edge" they would leave. The perception that these guys have an advantage is why owners ignore these kinds of issues. It isnt like there arent trainers out there that arent successful that dont have issues like dutrow and Assmussen. Regulation is a not going to do anything if the people who pay the bills (owners and bettors) either dont care about changing things. If you keep betting than you are sending the signal that you dont care about it. If owners dont change trainers with terrible records of violations, they are showing they dont care how they win. It is on them.

You are 100% correct here. The owners that tolerate this stuff need to be called out, starting with those that employ guys like Dutrow and Asmussen. But has a single member of the media asked Jess "I Want to Clean Up the Game" Jackson why he uses Asmussen as his trainer? If they have, I must have missed his response.

SCUDSBROTHER · #11 06-25-2008, 12:26 PM

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Absolutely not true. If people werent so concerned that they would not have the "edge" they would leave. The perception that these guys have an advantage is why owners ignore these kinds of issues. It isnt like there arent trainers out there that arent successful that dont have issues like dutrow and Assmussen. Regulation is a not going to do anything if the people who pay the bills (owners and bettors) either dont care about changing things. If you keep betting than you are sending the signal that you dont care about it. If owners dont change trainers with terrible records of violations, they are showing they dont care how they win. It is on them.

Let me ask you this. If they weren't with Dutrow, would they have won the Dubai Sprint, the Breeders Cup Mile(turf,) and the Kentucky Derby? I think they've had a substantial edge using this cheater. The best sprinter in the country, the best turf miler in the country, and the best three year old in the country, but they aren't getting an edge? Chuck is on a different planet(CONTRARIANO CUE) sometimes.

Cannon Shell · #12 06-25-2008, 02:07 PM

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Let me ask you this. If they weren't with Dutrow, would they have won the Dubai Sprint, the Breeders Cup Mile(turf,) and the Kentucky Derby? I think they've had a substantial edge using this cheater. The best sprinter in the country, the best turf miler in the country, and the best three year old in the country, but they aren't getting an edge? Chuck is on a different planet(CONTRARIANO CUE) sometimes.

So it is ok to "have an edge" if you win?

SCUDSBROTHER · #13 06-25-2008, 08:38 PM

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So it is ok to "have an edge" if you win?

No,it's not at all o.k to "have an edge." What I was saying is that it isn't "a perception" that these guys have an advantage. It's a fact. As far as having owners change trainers, it's a lil late out here for that. I don't think that very many trainers in SOCAL are winning much unless they are cheating in some way. All our leading trainers have been caught cheating. It's not gunna work out here (geting owners to move to different trainers.) The only successful day in/day out one I would suggest is Ron Ellis. He is probably clean, but I don't think he is realistic (his horses don't race very much.) He is a good trainer for the very wealthy(they can afford to wait n' wait.)Hey, we know who cheats. They do have positive tests. We just don't punish them enough to hurt them. It's a trainer's game. Anyone could have seen that on display last Friday Night when Stein unleashed that bomb closed on incredibly slow fractions(the only one that could.) P4 paid 24k, and if you don't think heavy breather had that, then you're kid'n yourself. It's a trainers game.