Big Brown has Quarter Crack

[Travis Stone]

If true, it's hard to imagine the folks at Three Chimney's would be okay with him running with some issues. Unless its extremely minor... but even then... we're talking about a lot of $.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

If true, it's hard to imagine the folks at Three Chimney's would be okay with him running with some issues. Unless its extremely minor... but even then... we're talking about a lot of $.

supposedly three chimneys has no say til he retires...but perhaps they could suggest things?
he missed months of racing due to his feet between his 2 yo debut and his first at three, and i think it was due to his feet that they were keeping him on the turf-that and the fact he could run so well on it.


chuck, he ran down behind pretty badly in the preakness-i remember your comment about it being significant that he bled through his bandages the way he did. could that be caused by him having sore feet, and perhaps changing his style of running? i don't know if there's a correlation between the two or not, which is why i'm asking.

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

If true, it's hard to imagine the folks at Three Chimney's would be okay with him running with some issues. Unless its extremely minor... but even then... we're talking about a lot of $.

You would think this would decrease his
value. It should decrease his value with
all the measures they have taken to keep
him sound.

Totally messed up. This illustrates perfectly
how screwed up the thoroughbred market
is. Totally short term thinking.

Pile o crud thinking.

[Strategic Mission]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You would think this would decrease his
value. It should decrease his value with
all the measures they have taken to keep
him sound.

Totally messed up. This illustrates perfectly
how screwed up the thoroughbred market
is. Totally short term thinking.

Pile o crud thinking.

I doubt it will decrease his value. If he were to take a few months off and then come back and lose then his value would plummet. They will retire him and he will get his $100K from all the people that don't care about soundness but are interested in trying to get the next big brown.

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

I doubt it will decrease his value. If he were to take a few months off and then come back and lose then his value would plummet. They will retire him and he will get his $100K from all the people that don't care about soundness but are interested in trying to get the next big brown.

This is exactly my point.
It should decrease his value.

The horse had quarter cracks
before the Derby. It is hurry
up and get there insanity.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is exactly my point.
It should decrease his value.

The horse had quarter cracks
before the Derby. It is hurry
up and get there insanity.

i don't understand why anyone thinks he is so valuable a prospect. he's by boundary for crying out loud. quick, name 5 good boundaries, without looking up his progeny records...besides big brown of course. i can think of ONE, pomeroy.

also, it's a rotten crop, and he just happens to be a bit faster than the other slow horses.
eight belles was thought by many to not be a derby horse, wouldn't be able to get 10f, and she ran closer to big brown than any of his other competition ever had.

i can't believe they're going nuts over this horse, or that he's worth 100k.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't understand why anyone thinks he is so valuable a prospect. he's by boundary for crying out loud. quick, name 5 good boundaries, without looking up his progeny records...besides big brown of course. i can think of ONE, pomeroy.

also, it's a rotten crop, and he just happens to be a bit faster than the other slow horses.
eight belles was thought by many to not be a derby horse, wouldn't be able to get 10f, and she ran closer to big brown than any of his other competition ever had.

i can't believe they're going nuts over this horse, or that he's worth 100k.

I agree 100%. But the problem is the breeding business appears to have serious short-term memory. Four years down the road, if Big Brown is a flop at stud (which he almost certainly will be), the douchebag breeders will be so occupied with clamoring for the latest Derby winner, they'll forget all about how much they inflated Big Brown's prospects. Plus, as long as people keep paying exorbitant amounts for yearlings and two-year-olds, the breeders will be heartened to keep overvaluing horses.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I agree 100%. But the problem is the breeding business appears to have serious short-term memory. Four years down the road, if Big Brown is a flop at stud (which he almost certainly will be), the douchebag breeders will be so occupied with clamoring for the latest Derby winner, they'll forget all about how much they inflated Big Brown's prospects. Plus, as long as people keep paying exorbitant amounts for yearlings and two-year-olds, the breeders will be heartened to keep overvaluing horses.

What people seem to forget is that racetrack success doesnt always translate into stallion success. It is one of the things that the 'medication is ruining the breed' types seem to forget. Just look at the 70's. Secretariat, Affirmed, and Spectacular Bid who all rank in the top 20 all time (maybe better) all were disappointments at stud as were Alysheba, Easy Goer (though he didnt get much of a chance), Spend a Buck and Devils Bag in the 80's and Skip Away and Formal Gold among others in the 90's. None ever sired a horse close to themselves. Medication had nothing to do with it either. Most stallions are failures, plain and simple. The real problems started when people started to pay top dollar to breed to unproven stallions versus proven ones. By paying big bucks for a few years before we know what they got, you are allowing the breeders to pay huge money and escape with their hides. Surely Three Chimneys thinks that they will have enough support at a high level to pay the money they did for BB but I am skeptical of what people will feel like in a year from now.