Commentator ?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

grasshopper would press commentator the whole way and he would just fold like he always does. curlin would lay 3rd early on and pick up the victory. commentator is 7 years old and maybe he could beat that field when he was younger, but it's doubtful he could beat that many consistent runners in one field now.

a seven year old can certainly beat younger, i would disagree with that part of it. don't forget john henry only seemed to get better with age.

but he is a horse who has to have everything go his way to look good.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I just have a dislike for horses like him who rack up giant figures when loose and then spit the bit when they don't get their way.

Why?
First of all - as a fan - I enjoy watching horses run really fast races. He does that at times, and hardly any other horses running today actually seem capable of that.
Perhaps more importantly, as a handicapper, don't horses that are that predictable often make for winning bets?
If you see the horse in a race where he isn't likely to get the early lead, people that can recognize his limitations stand to make money looking eleswhere compared to those that are simply dazzled by big figures.
On the other hand, in a race where he does figure to make the early lead easily, he is likely to be a very good value if there are also any other quality horses in the field.
What's not to like?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Why?
First of all - as a fan - I enjoy watching horses run really fast races. He does that at times, and hardly any other horses running today actually seem capable of that.
Perhaps more importantly, as a handicapper, don't horses that are that predictable often make for winning bets?
If you see the horse in a race where he isn't likely to get the early lead, people that can recognize his limitations stand to make money looking eleswhere compared to those that are simply dazzled by big figures.
On the other hand, in a race where he does figure to make the early lead easily, he is likely to be a very good value if there are also any other quality horses in the field.
What's not to like?

Speaking purely from a fan's perspective, I don't really give a **** about "really fast races" that are run only under perfect circumstances. I like consistent, mature, versatile horses who continually run their race, no matter what. Like Curlin.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Speaking purely from a fan's perspective, I don't really give a **** about "really fast races" that are run only under perfect circumstances. I like consistent, mature, versatile horses who continually run their race, no matter what. Like Curlin.

well said. i second that.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

The whole premise of the race is kind of silly, but if they ever did race there is no way Grasshopper could keep up with Commentator early. Commentator is very fast early and Grasshopper isn't. He would be lucky to be a few lengths off of him.

agree hossey....grasshopper would be second, but i'd say 2-4 lenghts off commentator... and goin 1 1/8 at the age of 7 he could beat this group

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I like Commentator too.. but that's a pipe dream. He needs to stay at 8 furlongs or less to have a chance these days.

pipe dream ? the major goal this year is the whitney, so i dont think 8 or less is in the thoughts.

[jcs11204]

[quote=DaHoss9698]I think everyone loves horses like that. Problem is, there are just so few of them. Obviously Commentator is inconsistent, but he is also very fragile. I'm not making excuses or even trying to make him seem like he is more horse than he really is. But when he is on, he's damn good and it's fun watching him when he brings his "A" game.[/QUOTwh

he losses when he gets pressed through very very fast fractions. dont most ?
why has he not been stretched out again in so long ? i think he can be most effective at 1 1/8, even now.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

he losses when he gets pressed through very very fast fractions. dont most ?
why has he not been stretched out again in so long ? i think he can be most effective at 1 1/8, even now.

What are the rates at the Holiday Inn Express in the Albany/Schenectady area??

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

What are the rates at the Holiday Inn Express in the Albany/Schenectady area??

i can check for you...

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Speaking purely from a fan's perspective, I don't really give a **** about "really fast races" that are run only under perfect circumstances. I like consistent, mature, versatile horses who continually run their race, no matter what. Like Curlin.

Well no kidding, but these days if you only like horses that fit that description you won't like 99.999999999% of the horses out there.

[philcski]

To answer the real question of this thread, I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the CD Handicap on Derby Day. Seems like the next real good fit.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by philcski

To answer the real question of this thread, I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the CD Handicap on Derby Day. Seems like the next real good fit.

makes sense to me.... i want him to go long.... how long is the cd handicap ?

[jcs11204]

i have to be honest... he is the best horse i have ever seen run LIVE AND IN PERSON...his whitney over st liam was gigantic, and the next race... just read the chart....UNDER ATTACK...... st liam comes back to win the breeders cup, does that not say enough about commentator

Originally Posted by philcski

To answer the real question of this thread, I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the CD Handicap on Derby Day. Seems like the next real good fit.

It is a 250,000 7f gift for the one turn wonder.
He is fun to watch.

But he will have to enter
a claiming race to win at two turns again.

I cant remember the race exactly but I remember
Spanish Chestnut and the other fast horse damn
I cant remember. think it was Pomeroy. Just bit
into him and he just wilted in the stretch. There
are a number of clear memories of him just absolutely
getting swallowed in a stretch run if he got challenged.

But its nice to see the old one still running.
Just dont crucify the horse making him go two turns.
Keep him at Belmont if you want him to run longer;
he dies turning twice.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Well no kidding, but these days if you only like horses that fit that description you won't like 99.999999999% of the horses out there.

Eh, I disagree. I'd say Commentator is in the minority as a horse that quits if he doesn't get his way.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by pgardn

It is a 250,000 7f gift for the one turn wonder.
He is fun to watch.

But he will have to enter
a claiming race to win at two turns again.

I cant remember the race exactly but I remember
Spanish Chestnut and the other fast horse damn
I cant remember. think it was Pomeroy. Just bit
into him and he just wilted in the stretch. There
are a number of clear memories of him just absolutely
getting swallowed in a stretch run if he got challenged.

But its nice to see the old one still running.
Just dont crucify the horse making him go two turns.
Keep him at Belmont if you want him to run longer;
he dies turning twice.

a claming race ??????? to win at two turns ? are you kidding me ? do you not read, the goal is the whitney. he is being pointed to the whitney, and he's argubly the fastest horse in the world.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Eh, I disagree. I'd say Commentator is in the minority as a horse that quits if he doesn't get his way.

you make it like he just quits, a lot of horses quit when they go 22-44.1 for 7 furlongs

Originally Posted by jcs11204

a claming race ??????? to win at two turns ? are you kidding me ? do you not read, the goal is the whitney. he is being pointed to the whitney, and he's argubly the fastest horse in the world.

Then he will lose the Whitney
unless he faces jellyfish.

When was the last time the horse even
went two turns?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

a claming race ??????? to win at two turns ? are you kidding me ? do you not read, the goal is the whitney. he is being pointed to the whitney, and he's argubly the fastest horse in the world.

Just stop. He's a very good one-dimensional speed horse. That's it. I was rooting for him in the Whitney because I wasn't a Saint Liam fan, but that was then, and this is now. He's seven years old, and everyone now knows that all you have to do to beat him is enter a cheap speed horse.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Then he will lose the Whitney
unless he faces jellyfish.

When was the last time the horse even
went two turns?

does not matter.. he is actually better suited for two turns... a lot better chance to relax early rather then get pushed through 22-44