Georgie Boy

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I believe the only Grade 1 dirt route for older males run in the East so far was won by Spring At Last.

You do realize that Arl Jim said Big Booster appears to be a better horse on dirt? He was a very moderate claimer on dirt!

Some trainers improve horses and we don't know what to expect now on dirt. he WAS a very moderate claimer, under a different conditioner.

2.5 months Doug, and there has been how many Grade 1 routes this year so far, ONE! And that race while stamped a GRADE 1, didn't have grade 1 talent.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Scav

Some trainers improve horses and we don't know what to expect now on dirt. he WAS a very moderate claimer, under a different conditioner.

2.5 months Doug, and there has been how many Grade 1 routes this year so far, ONE! And that race while stamped a GRADE 1, didn't have grade 1 talent.

For the record, those different conditiones were Peter Walder and John Kimmel.

And Scavs, the horses in the East aren't that good either.

Look, a few people who've posted on boards with Arl Jim for longer than I have don't seem to think he's trolling - the consensus is they think he's just trying too hard to defend the surface of his home track....

Maybe I'm wrong to say he's "trolling" - but you really have to wonder how it can be said that "Big Booster appears to favor the dirt." That is just not a logical statement.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

For the record, those different conditiones were Peter Walder and John Kimmel.

And Scavs, the horses in the East aren't that good either.

Look, a few people who've posted on boards with Arl Jim for longer than I have don't seem to think he's trolling - the consensus is they think he's just trying too hard to defend the surface of his home track....

Maybe I'm wrong to say he's "trolling" - but you really have to wonder how it can be said that "Big Booster appears to favor the dirt." That is just not a logical statement.

Walder is very good. Kimmel, um no, not with his stock.

I don't disagree, but East coast horses would trounce the west. STUDENT COUNCIL?? AWESOME GEM?? ZAPPA?? come on now. Zappa couldn't win a Grade 3 in NY or anywhere else. So would Awesome Gem for that matter.

Me personally, I can care less about a surface, they could run on cotton and it wouldn't matter to me

You check up on people on the internet?

Originally Posted by Scav

Walder is very good. Kimmel, um no, not with his stock.

I don't disagree, but East coast horses would trounce the west. STUDENT COUNCIL?? AWESOME GEM?? ZAPPA?? come on now. Zappa couldn't win a Grade 3 in NY or anywhere else. So would Awesome Gem for that matter.

Me personally, I can care less about a surface, they could run on cotton and it wouldn't matter to me

You check up on people on the internet?

Well then care less if you can.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Well then care less if you can.

Irregardless, ...

[ArlJim78]

wow, Peter Walder had Big Booster for a single race in about a fifty race career.

my only agenda is that I wager on horse racing every day of the week so i try to study all aspects to stay sharp. I'm not trying to stick up for a particular surface. I only look for facts. I live near arlington but don't play it much and I'm not defending my home surface.

its easy to find examples of horses that have moved to synthetics and improved. Big Booster is one of them although I don't believe his improvement is that great.

however I didn't ask for examples of horses who moved from dirt to synthetic and improved. I asked a particular question for a particular reason, buts its clear that people aren't interested in putting aside their preconceived notions long enough to even try to understand the question or why I asked it. that's fine with me.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I asked a particular question for a particular reason, buts its clear that people aren't interested in putting aside their preconceived notions long enough to even try to understand the question or why I asked it. that's fine with me.

You asked CJ the question - I was going to stay out until you made the absurd comment that "Big Booster appears to prefer the dirt" and used his higher win percentage in claiming races - over his lower winning percentage (in Grade 1 and Grade 2 stakes) as your evidence.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You asked CJ the question - I was going to stay out until you made the absurd comment that "Big Booster appears to prefer the dirt" and used his higher win percentage in claiming races - over his lower winning percentage (in Grade 1 and Grade 2 stakes) as your evidence.

I was wrong. I shouldn't have said he prefers dirt.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

wow, Peter Walder had Big Booster for a single race in about a fifty race career.

my only agenda is that I wager on horse racing every day of the week so i try to study all aspects to stay sharp. I'm not trying to stick up for a particular surface. I only look for facts. I live near arlington but don't play it much and I'm not defending my home surface.

its easy to find examples of horses that have moved to synthetics and improved. Big Booster is one of them although I don't believe his improvement is that great.

however I didn't ask for examples of horses who moved from dirt to synthetic and improved. I asked a particular question for a particular reason, buts its clear that people aren't interested in putting aside their preconceived notions long enough to even try to understand the question or why I asked it. that's fine with me.

TUESDAY's ALL YEAR? I can see now with Tampa but ALL YEAR?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Scav

TUESDAY's ALL YEAR? I can see now with Tampa but ALL YEAR?

haha, tuesday is a tough day. I can't say I play Tuesdays all year. Philly is a brutally tough place to play, but Tampa is great.

[cmorioles]

The East is nothing to get too excited about either. The Skip Away, a G3, was just demolished by Gotcha Gold with a most likely inflated Beyer of 100. Mr. Umphrey was second. Yes, Mr. Umphrey. Frost Giant, a horse I looked at and dismissed in about 2 seconds when handicapping, went off at 6 to 5. Think about that one...

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The East is nothing to get too excited about either. The Skip Away, a G3, was just demolished by Gotcha Gold with a most likely inflated Beyer of 100. Mr. Umphrey was second. Yes, Mr. Umphrey. Frost Giant, a horse I looked at and dismissed in about 2 seconds when handicapping, went off at 6 to 5. Think about that one...

......yeah, the east has some real older horse monsters

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Scav

You check up on people on the internet?

Huh?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Huh?

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Look, a few people who've posted on boards with Arl Jim for longer than I have don't seem to think he's trolling - the consensus is they think he's just trying too hard to defend the surface of his home track....

You checking up on people on the internet...