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Scav 03-16-2008 09:43 AM

Georgie Boy
 
I hope they send this horse to Oaklawn next and run on the dirt(Per the post race interview yesterday, it is either Oaklawn or the SA Derby). If he does well he could end up your Derby favorite.

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-16-2008 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I hope they send this horse to Oaklawn next and run on the dirt(Per the post race interview yesterday, it is either Oaklawn or the SA Derby). If he does well he could end up your Derby favorite.

Now, this is a horse to get excited about... closer to the pace going two turns and when asked.....took off like a rocket, again! Would take his running style over WP anyday running in the Kentucky Derby. Great story here! :)

BPLichorowiec 03-16-2008 10:11 AM

Plus he's a gelding, so he won't be rushed off to the breeding shed. But he still has alot to prove.

ShadowRoll 03-16-2008 10:35 AM

Yes, very interesting horse, and trained great up to the San Felipe:

03/08/2008-HOLLYWOOD PARK-Five Furlongs-All Weather Track Fast-1.00:40 Breezing
03/01/2008-HOLLYWOOD PARK-Seven Furlongs-All Weather Track Fast-1.23:60 Handily
02/23/2008-HOLLYWOOD PARK-Five Furlongs-All Weather Track Fast-59:40 Handily

Just hoping he won't peak too soon. I'd like to see him take a step back for the next few weeks and then a prep that's not too demanding. I'd be happy if he comes into the Derby off a good effort somewhere, not necessarily a winning effort, and isn't the Derby favorite.

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-16-2008 10:37 AM

There is another thread about Georgie Boy and Gayego called Input on the main forum too...

Georgie Boy has his work cut out for him if he stays west for the SA Derby. He might be the best horse out in Cali, but he still has to go up against the Colonel, El Gato Malo, and an improving Gayego if he stays out there. I give the nod to the Colonel right now.

Cannon Shell 03-16-2008 10:47 AM

Georgie Boy = Mister Frisky

SentToStud 03-16-2008 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Georgie Boy = Mister Frisky

And at this time of the year it was:

Mister Frisky = Bold Forbes

ShadowRoll 03-16-2008 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Georgie Boy = Mister Frisky

So, he should stay in Cali or go to PR?

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-16-2008 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Georgie Boy = Mister Frisky

But he was undefeated going into the Derby :D

if Pyro stubs his toe in his next start....the Derby will have the betting odds of a 35k on the grass at Belmont :eek: the favorite 4-1.
Not that it would be a bad thing.

cmorioles 03-16-2008 11:18 AM

You guys are, once again, making the mistake of trying to transfer something that happened on synthetic over to a dirt track. It will cost you money.

First, consider that the pace of the race yesterday was very slow, even by synthetic track standards. By dirt standards, it was slower than erosion.

If that race were run on a dirt track, a few things could happen. First, GB could run the same pace and be eight lengths further back of what would be a slow pace. Good luck with that one. Second, he could run 8 lengths faster to try to be up with that slow dirt pace. If he does that, what happens to his finish? Third, he could be anywhere in between those two scenarios, neither of which seems very promising.

Consider, also, the above assumes he will even like the footing offered by real dirt.

Danzig 03-16-2008 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
There is another thread about Georgie Boy and Gayego called Input on the main forum too...

Georgie Boy has his work cut out for him if he stays west for the SA Derby. He might be the best horse out in Cali, but he still has to go up against the Colonel, El Gato Malo, and an improving Gayego if he stays out there. I give the nod to the Colonel right now.

they'll all have their work cut out for them once they change surfaces.

Danzig 03-16-2008 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
You guys are, once again, making the mistake of trying to transfer something that happened on synthetic over to a dirt track. It will cost you money.

First, consider that the pace of the race yesterday was very slow, even by synthetic track standards. By dirt standards, it was slower than erosion.

If that race were run on a dirt track, a few things could happen. First, GB could run the same pace and be eight lengths further back of what would be a slow pace. Good luck with that one. Second, he could run 8 lengths faster to try to be up with that slow dirt pace. If he does that, what happens to his finish? Third, he could be anywhere in between those two scenarios, neither of which seems very promising.

Consider, also, the above assumes he will even like the footing offered by real dirt.

that's right, and largely ignored by some. those horses should be treated the same way as a turf horse making a switch to dirt. it's a different surface. some can make the switch, many cannot. until those horses run on dirt, it's all up in the air.

2Hot4TV 03-16-2008 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Georgie Boy = Mister Frisky

No where near the same. Two totally differant type of horses. The only thing they have in common is that they ran in California before the Derby. I don't think Georgie Boy or any other horse running in SoCal has a chance to win the Derby, but this years 3yo are all in the same boat, not many stand outs.

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-16-2008 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
No where near the same. Two totally differant type of horses. The only thing they have in common is that they ran in California before the Derby. I don't think Georgie Boy or any other horse running in SoCal has a chance to win the Derby, but this years 3yo are all in the same boat, not many stand outs.

Now with WP throwing in a clunker.....they're all "slow".

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-16-2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Now with WP throwing in a clunker.....they're all "slow".

Yep...I think some are in for an awakening. This is actually a very talented bunch of 3 yos IMO. There are quite a few who you would say aren't 'slow'.;)

hi_im_god 03-16-2008 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
You guys are, once again, making the mistake of trying to transfer something that happened on synthetic over to a dirt track. It will cost you money.

First, consider that the pace of the race yesterday was very slow, even by synthetic track standards. By dirt standards, it was slower than erosion.

If that race were run on a dirt track, a few things could happen. First, GB could run the same pace and be eight lengths further back of what would be a slow pace. Good luck with that one. Second, he could run 8 lengths faster to try to be up with that slow dirt pace. If he does that, what happens to his finish? Third, he could be anywhere in between those two scenarios, neither of which seems very promising.

Consider, also, the above assumes he will even like the footing offered by real dirt.

24.24/24.51/24.27/23.56/5.77

if they switch the derby to turf, i like him.

Thunder Gulch 03-17-2008 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Georgie Boy = Mister Frisky

Ouch

outofthebox 03-17-2008 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
No where near the same. Two totally differant type of horses. The only thing they have in common is that they ran in California before the Derby. I don't think Georgie Boy or any other horse running in SoCal has a chance to win the Derby, but this years 3yo are all in the same boat, not many stand outs.

I agree, i would more compare him to a 3yo Best Pal who was also a cal bred gelding. Mister Frisky was a an over acheiver who if not developed a golf ball size tumor in his throat , would have been a force in the TC races that year, imo.

ArlJim78 03-17-2008 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Consider, also, the above assumes he will even like the footing offered by real dirt.

do you have some examples of horses who couldn't transfer their good synthetic form to dirt, meaning they couldn't handle the dirt footing?

I haven't noticed really many examples of this. maybe I'm missing something.


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