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08-01-2006, 08:48 AM
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The horse he ra yesterday was an embarassment. He was DEAD SHORT and Prado rode him just fine. Sat off the duel in the best part of the racetrack and made his move in a typical spot. That horse absolutely layed over the field and to have him be so short and weaving about was a disgrace. Hes a bad trainer, plain and simple. Tell me all about his great successes other than Bernadini, Im still waiting to hear all about them. He will screw him up just like she screwed up yesterday.
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08-01-2006, 08:52 AM
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Well, in my opinion Songster was compromised by chasing the fast fractions more than just getting dead tired from being not 100% cranked for the race.....just my opinion.....pace makes the race and it made that race....Songster was the onlt horse to finish well from the three that dueled out that grueling early agenda......I think he was fit enough to win....
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08-01-2006, 08:53 AM
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08-01-2006, 09:01 AM
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08-01-2006, 09:11 AM
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08-01-2006, 09:14 AM
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08-01-2006, 09:19 AM
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It's a relative term....I'm bad about it since i have hung around so many trackers and can be negative at times...he is obviously not a "rat" in the sense of the word...hell, he is a Graded stakes winner...i'd like to own him  Anyway, I know he was hit by a whip slightly, but he still had all stretch to mow down a 100K claimer and could not get by......doesn't sit well with me, especailly since everybody wants to annoint him as the Sprint division leader right now in a year where the Sprint division is NAILS tough IMO.... Henny Hughes is better IMO....
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08-01-2006, 01:11 PM
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Probably one of the more ignorant statements I've seen you make. Shame on you...
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08-01-2006, 08:53 AM
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LOL, I love the saltyness....it is Scav style to a T.
This being said, while he was short, he also wasn't ready for a track like that which killed anything within 2 lengths of the lead, like quicksand yesterday I think this was the case where they cared less about this race, which is somewhat decieving the public, and he is going to be tight as can be for the Kings Bishop, and at better odds if he would have won yesterday.... Mike, we will catch him next time
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08-01-2006, 08:56 AM
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08-01-2006, 02:02 PM
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Tom Albertrani had great teachers to help him learn the game. He was Mott's assistant as well as assistant to Saeed Bin Suroor. He had hands in Cigar, Street Cry, Imperial Gesture, Fantastic Light and Dayalami. He also had a brief career as a jockey
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08-01-2006, 02:25 PM
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Sorry, but I have a significantly different take on Songster, and said as much at Siro's yesterday morning. Yeah, I figured he would probably win yesterday, but only because the field was weak, but I still used an all in that race in my ( losing ) Pick-4 play. Simply put, I thought he was all dressed up with nowhere to go, and his previous two races were FAR from spectacular and merely the result of perfect trips ( coupled with Toomuchbling's bad one ). As a horseplayer, I am very careful about relying heavily on overbet favorites who are nowhere near as good as their undeserved reputations. There was little question in my mind that Songster fit that bill.
The idea that someone could watch that race, see the obvious premature move that Prado made, and then go on a tirade ( calling the trainer " incompetent " and a " dwarf " among other things ) and blame him for somehow disingenously running a " short " horse, all the while proclaiming himself to be some sort of respected person in the sport is as incredible to me as it is insulting in general. The simple truth is that if this horse was truly worth his odds he would have won in spite of the mediocre ride and he still would have won if in fact he was " short ", something I HIGHLY doubt. As I said before, I think he ran as well as he did in either of his last two races. The person who should be mad, and unlike the author of this thread he is most likely blaming only himself, is Allen Jerkens, who almost certainly would have won the Amsterdam with Saint Damon had he run yesterday instead of Sunday. Or, perhaps, you think he is screaming something akin to " if I had only known that " expletive deleted " Albertrani was going to lie and run a short horse I would have scratched Sunday ".
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08-01-2006, 02:35 PM
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The horse had numbers and his "perfect trips" were against horses who were MUCH better than those. Knock Bling all you want but hes won nicely since then and won nicely before his last race as well. The horse probably fell at least 5 points on Thoro. I disagree with Edgar's ride. I thought it was great. The outside part of the track was DEFINITELY the place to be and on the backside he was very careful to keep him well removed from the rail. He also postioned him right off two dueling leaders and didn't realy ask him to make the lead, the horse did so willingly. Were the fractions fast? Yes. But the Songster who had been showing up to the races this year certainly wasn't the one who showed up yesterday. he was obviously beaten at the top of the lane when a wilted el nino came back at him. Prado rode the horse exactly as you want a guy to ride a horse. Now, the horse was obviously short. That happens. To say how ready he was means the trainer was either lying or had misjudged his fitness. I believe very strongly that the trainer will use being short as an excuse at some point before his next race. Which means he either lied or was incompetent in asessing his horses' fitness.
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08-01-2006, 02:48 PM
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So, you didn't think he was worth 1-5, but you still singled him despite feeling the need to use eight horses in the finale. Really? Sounds like instead of blaming Albertrani you should be blaming yourself as you made one HORRENDOUS bet.
And don't come back with " but I was trying to beat Biancone's horse " or any such hogwash, as the simple fact is you anchored your ticket with a horse you knew was going to be 1-5 and are now agreeing you knew he wasn't that good. There seems to be a substantial difference between the truth and the facts. Once again....he did not run any worse than either of his two previous races.
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08-01-2006, 02:45 PM
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08-01-2006, 02:54 PM
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Sorry, I claim one thing, to know that Songster ran similarly to how he has run in the past and without a perfect trip he didn't win. Frankly, if I dropped in from Mars and saw a video of that race, I would say, as any knowledgable racewatcher would, that the second horse was best.
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08-01-2006, 08:58 AM
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08-01-2006, 10:09 AM
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08-01-2006, 09:00 AM
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