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Old 10-08-2007, 07:52 AM
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anyone who thinks greg's gold will win the bc sprint needs their head examined, IMO, and I'm stuck with him in the TVG contest!
I bet three weeks out a lot of people said the same thing about Thor's Echo last year.

That was a fast race and Greg's Gold should have been an easy winner. Unless one is convinced he cannot reproduce his good synthetic form on the real dirt, anyone who is not considering him a contender needs their head examined.

It's not like there's so much out there to be convinced of right now.

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Old 10-08-2007, 09:47 AM
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I guess it was fast, but hasn't Santa Anita been playing very fast since it opened? While he was blocked, who was he in against? Bordonaro is a shell of his former self and Idiot Proof is alright I guess. Aren't Fabulous Strike and Benny the Bull at least viable contenders right now? Not to mention the Baffert that won the Forego, whose name escapes me right now. I have my doubts with him, but his last race was pretty big.
When you get the kind of ride and trip that Greg's Gold got does it really matter who the competition was? I mean sure he would be a little more impressive if he was in a box and couldn't get out to run down Fabulous Strike.

The winner, Idiot Proof, posted a 113 BSF at Monmouth in July and then flopped on the Poly.

I didn't say that Greg's Gold is the leading contender, I just said that I would not dismiss him at all and cannot agree with somebody who says that anyone considering him needs their head examined.

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Old 10-08-2007, 09:54 AM
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I don't know that I like Greg's Gold to win the race but he's definitely belonging of a spot on the top 4-5 contenders list. I also don't know that I would blame his rider yesterday as much as I would credit the riders of Idiot Proof and that Barbecue horse. I thought they rode great races to recognize the horse to beat and not let him have an easy time of doing so.

Also, if there is a concern with Greg's Gold, it's the Aristides at Churchill. I know it's only one race and nothing conclusive can be made of one race but it's the only chance we've had to see how he does when shipping........and he was destroyed by Fabulous Strike that day. Perhaps it was just an off day, a bad race. Or is he like Lava Man when shipping?
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:21 AM
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I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second. Had he gotten out wouldn't he have had basically a perfect trip? Would the victory have been impressive than? Sorry, he's going to have to beat me in the Sprint and while Idiot Proof did freak that day at Monmouth, I don't want any part of him in the sprint either. The preps in California this weekend all came up bad IMO and I don't want any horse that is coming out of them.
You don't have to apologize to me for not betting him. I have no great reason to think I'll bet him at this point in time.

However, I do think he is a contender for the win. That's how the whole conversation started.

While I do think Idiot Proof is going to get a bit too much attention because of his high BSF at Monmouth, the fact that he rated nicely and finished intrigued me a bit.

Look, the Sprint is clearly a wide-open race, that's why I suggested GG is still a contender. Once next Wednesday hits us and we can take a gander at the Advance Edition, we can see who else is going to run against him.

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Old 10-08-2007, 10:41 AM
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I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second. Had he gotten out wouldn't he have had basically a perfect trip? Would the victory have been impressive than? Sorry, he's going to have to beat me in the Sprint and while Idiot Proof did freak that day at Monmouth, I don't want any part of him in the sprint either. The preps in California this weekend all came up bad IMO and I don't want any horse that is coming out of them.
Yes, he is way behind other winners from this weekend, like that horse who won the "win and your in" Phoenix Stakes.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:09 AM
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Your California bias aside, who from this weekend's preps at Santa Anita were you impressed with? Hysterical Lady? Yeah getting run down by Baffert's also ran in NY Stakes was nice. Out Of Control hanging on by a nose over an allowance horse? The Phoenix winner was bad, as was the race. Who's defending that race?
I wasnt impressed, what bias? I was pointing out how weak the division is.

the only california horse I was somewhat impressed with during the divisions was the baffert two year old filly. I still think After Market and Tiago are mildy competitive at prices in their division.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:20 AM
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it is weak, especially considering the place horse in that race yesterday.

victor took a chance, figured the rail would open, it didn't.
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Old 10-08-2007, 12:13 PM
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My guess is they aren't going to do it now that there is the BC Sprint for F & M, but I'd love to see La Traviata run against this group. I know she's so lightly raced, but she's a freak (cobra venom aside). I don't know how she's even going to get into the F & M Sprint with only 4 points.

On the topic of the ride Victor gave to GG, the point is HE put him down there in the box when he didn't need to. He could've coasted behind that crew, went wide on the turn (as most 1-2 shots that are much the best often do), and sailed home with ease. He didn't need "the perfect trip" against that group.

Most impressive sprint win I've seen thus far is Midnight Lute in the Forego (but he's got issues) followed closely by the freaky performance of Fabulous Strike in the Vosburgh.
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Old 10-08-2007, 12:46 PM
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My guess is they aren't going to do it now that there is the BC Sprint for F & M, but I'd love to see La Traviata run against this group. I know she's so lightly raced, but she's a freak (cobra venom aside). I don't know how she's even going to get into the F & M Sprint with only 4 points.

On the topic of the ride Victor gave to GG, the point is HE put him down there in the box when he didn't need to. He could've coasted behind that crew, went wide on the turn (as most 1-2 shots that are much the best often do), and sailed home with ease. He didn't need "the perfect trip" against that group.

Most impressive sprint win I've seen thus far is Midnight Lute in the Forego (but he's got issues) followed closely by the freaky performance of Fabulous Strike in the Vosburgh.
La Traviata would get crushed in the BC Sprint. She will have no problem getting into the FM Sprint though. The first seven spots go to WAYI horses and then the top remaining points scorers. The other seven spots are selected by the committee who would never leave her out of the race.
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:21 AM
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Not to mention the Baffert that won the Forego, whose name escapes me right now. I have my doubts with him, but his last race was pretty big.
Midnight Lute.
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