Kip Deville this SAT

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

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[GPK]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

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[Pointg5]

While he wasn't urging KD through those fast fractions, he wasn't trying to restrain him either. I hate when a jock chokes down a horse, but sometimes it has to be done. Do you think if Valezquez would not have held back on English Channel, do you really think he would have won that race on Saturday? KD was 25-1, I bet him then, this weekend, I'll watch, because he won't be near those odds. As for the other jocks not lining up, I believe Prado already had a commitment and maybe they just decided to let the guy who knew the horse have a chance, but he blew it, so on to Bejerano. I believe Bejarano is one of the best on a speed turf horse, he was on a tear at Keeneland about 2 years ago winning with turf horses on the front end, also see Intercontinental in the BC...

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

While he wasn't urging KD through those fast fractions, he wasn't trying to restrain him either. I hate when a jock chokes down a horse, but sometimes it has to be done. Do you think if Valezquez would not have held back on English Channel, do you really think he would have won that race on Saturday? KD was 25-1, I bet him then, this weekend, I'll watch, because he won't be near those odds. As for the other jocks not lining up, I believe Prado already had a commitment and maybe they just decided to let the guy who knew the horse have a chance, but he blew it, so on to Bejerano. I believe Bejarano is one of the best on a speed turf horse, he was on a tear at Keeneland about 2 years ago winning with turf horses on the front end, also see Intercontinental in the BC...

How can you say he blew it at 25/1? Took an exceptional horse to beat him. If you think another rider could have improved him, you are giving the jock tooo much cedit. KD lost to a better horse. A screwup by the jock is just reaching for straws.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by jpops757

How can you say he blew it at 25/1? Took an exceptional horse to beat him. If you think another rider could have improved him, you are giving the jock tooo much cedit. KD lost to a better horse. A screwup by the jock is just reaching for straws.

They went 1:08 and change and he was about 20 lengths clear and still held on for 2nd, the jock wasn't urging him, but he sure wasn't doing anything to restrain him. I don't believe that Showing Up is an exceptional horse, nice horse, very good horse, but he had a ground saving trip and ran down a horse that was setting lightening fast fractions, I am not impressed by that in the least bit. What I was impressed by was a freak like performance and still holding on for 2nd, if he restrains him a little KD wins that race. I am in no way shape or form a jock-fan, stated that many many times on ESPN Board, but it's rediculous to say that they do not play a part in the race, especially Turf races. Just because he was 25-1 doesn't mean it's a price in line with his capabilities, I was just going to watch the race and when they popped up 25-1 on KD, I couldn't run to my computer quick enough, I never bet to win, but at those odds, I went with a win bet and lost. Bejerano is the best turf speed jock going, KEE usually favors deep closers, but I have seen him wire fields on the front end...

[blackthroatedwind]

Shouldn't teaching a rank horse to rate itself a bit be a trainer/exercize rider's job and not a race day obligation of a rider?

We've all seen MANY horses fight their respective riders and more often this has disasterous results. Unless Kip Deville is taught, or can be taught ( this is probably the biggest problem ), to rate then no rider in history is going to randomly show up on him and perform miracles.

Seaside Retraet is VERY intriguing to me at a solid price in here.....

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Seaside Retraet is VERY intriguing to me at a solid price in here.....

Same here. IMO, KD doesn't hit the board this time around.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Seaside Retraet is VERY intriguing to me at a solid price in here.....

What price are you talking about? His ML is 5-1 and he will likely go off lower than that.