Rags to Riches/Belmont try?

ateamstupid · #1 05-08-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Belmont a bad place to run a filly first time against the boys...in the entire history of the race, only two fillies have won...Ruthless in the very first running at Jerome Park in 1867 and Tanya in 1905 when the race was run at 10 furlongs! Strange place to try her...is Pletcher getting desperate?

She's got the best 12-furlong pedigree of any of his 3-year-olds and may be faster than any of them too. If that's the case, why not send her?

Scurlogue Champ · #2 05-08-2007, 04:32 PM

Coolmore doesn't need Street Cry getting a Triple Crown winner in his first crop.

Spoiler time.

I wouldn't be surprised if the entire American arm of Coolmore shows up.

I am repeating this information, by the way. Heard it somewhere else

KY_Sasquash · #3 05-09-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

Coolmore doesn't need Street Cry getting a Triple Crown winner in his first crop.

Spoiler time.

I wouldn't be surprised if the entire American arm of Coolmore shows up.

I am repeating this information, by the way. Heard it somewhere else

Unless they already have the breeding rights to Street Sense already tied up. Then they wont want to play spoiler

somerfrost · #4 05-08-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

She's got the best 12-furlong pedigree of any of his 3-year-olds and may be faster than any of them too. If that's the case, why not send her?

She's no Tanya imo!

somerfrost · #5 05-08-2007, 04:39 PM

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She's no Tanya imo!

I admit, she's got a nice distance pedigree...mom produced Jazil and top is good with AP Indy but no filly has ever won the Belmont at 12 furlongs...OK, Ruthless won at 13f in the first running but barely and against only 3 others, quality unknown. If I had a top filly, I'd wait until fall to try the boys. Just my preference. A lot to lose and little to gain by running her in the Belmont imo!

ateamstupid · #6 05-08-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

I admit, she's got a nice distance pedigree...mom produced Jazil and top is good with AP Indy but no filly has ever won the Belmont at 12 furlongs...OK, Ruthless won at 13f in the first running but barely and against only 3 others, quality unknown. If I had a top filly, I'd wait until fall to try the boys. Just my preference. A lot to lose and little to gain by running her in the Belmont imo!

A lot to lose and little to gain? Are you kidding me? She could significantly improve her broodmare value, could get Pletcher a TC win with a filly, could REALLY cement the Eclipse.. What the hell is there to lose?

Cannon Shell · #7 05-08-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

A lot to lose and little to gain? Are you kidding me? She could significantly improve her broodmare value, could get Pletcher a TC win with a filly, could REALLY cement the Eclipse.. What the hell is there to lose?

Her broodmare value is moot because there is only one guy who could afford her now other than her current owners and there is zero chance that Tabor and co. would let him have her.

But it would be a historic win if she won

paisjpq · #8 05-08-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Her broodmare value is moot because there is only one guy who could afford her now other than her current owners and there is zero chance that Tabor and co. would let him have her.

But it would be a historic win if she won

I heard the lads will be offering her to the sheikhs at the end of the season as a peace offering

Cannon Shell · #9 05-08-2007, 05:36 PM

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I heard the lads will be offering her to the sheikhs at the end of the season as a peace offering

I'd like to be there for the handoff

somerfrost · #10 05-08-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

A lot to lose and little to gain? Are you kidding me? She could significantly improve her broodmare value, could get Pletcher a TC win with a filly, could REALLY cement the Eclipse.. What the hell is there to lose?

Yeah, broodmare value is rather moot cause of her ownership...what to lose? When you have a champion, the last thing you want is a bad beating! A filly can beat the boys, Lady's Secret and others proved that, but if it was my horse...I'd pick a better spot! True, if she wins, she makes history but it's a huge gamble imo!

Cannon Shell · #11 05-08-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Yeah, broodmare value is rather moot cause of her ownership...what to lose? When you have a champion, the last thing you want is a bad beating! A filly can beat the boys, Lady's Secret and others proved that, but if it was my horse...I'd pick a better spot! True, if she wins, she makes history but it's a huge gamble imo!

I think that this is a pretty weak group of colts and very few have breeding that suggests that they will relish the distance. She has enough speed to get the right trip and will catch the best colts coming off of 2 hard efforts and coming back on short rest. If she loses then she can resume beating up on fillies in the Test/Alabama. Plus Pletcher will make his other owners happy by getting Octave a grade 1 win in the Acorn or Mother Goose without having to mess with Rags.

AeWingnut · #12 05-08-2007, 05:05 PM

Silverbulletday

Skip away · #13 05-08-2007, 05:06 PM

Exactly Canon, but Todd wont run her in the Test, too short for her. Her only race this summer after the Belmont will be the Alabama. Then she runs once at Belmont, most likely against the fillies, then its on to Monmouth for the BC, again most likely in the filly & mare race.

philcski · #14 05-08-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think that this is a pretty weak group of colts and very few have breeding that suggests that they will relish the distance. She has enough speed to get the right trip and will catch the best colts coming off of 2 hard efforts and coming back on short rest. If she loses then she can resume beating up on fillies in the Test/Alabama. Plus Pletcher will make his other owners happy by getting Octave a grade 1 win in the Acorn or Mother Goose without having to mess with Rags.

The problem is the two best colts both are bred to go the mile and a half and look like they will relish it.

The rest of them? Not so much.

witchdoctor · #15 05-08-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

A lot to lose and little to gain? Are you kidding me? She could significantly improve her broodmare value, could get Pletcher a TC win with a filly, could REALLY cement the Eclipse.. What the hell is there to lose?

Wonder if that what the owners of Ruffian were thinking in her match race with Foolish pleasure?

Thoroughbred Fan · #16 05-08-2007, 05:26 PM

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Wonder if that what the owners of Ruffian were thinking in her match race with Foolish pleasure?

The risk of breakdown is constant. Believe it or not horses even get cast in their stalls. They are fragile, but this is a sport. By definition it means to compete.

Cannon Shell · #17 05-08-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by witchdoctor

Wonder if that what the owners of Ruffian were thinking in her match race with Foolish pleasure?

Do you think her leg broke because she was racing against a colt?

somerfrost · #18 05-08-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you think her leg broke because she was racing against a colt?

No, her leg may well have been injured coming out of the gate (there is some evidence that she struck the metal as the gate opened), it was a tragic event that I suspect had little to do with who she was racing against.

witchdoctor · #19 05-08-2007, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you think her leg broke because she was racing against a colt?

No.
My point was these horses are not machines and there can be alot to lose.

Cannon Shell · #20 05-08-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

If I had a top filly, I'd wait until fall to try the boys. Just my preference. A lot to lose and little to gain by running her in the Belmont imo!

So you would wait until the boys matured and got better before you took them on? The gap gets larger as the horses get older.

What does she have to lose by running in the Belmont?