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[miraja2]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well I like that bet a whole lot but good luck to you.

Is there something in particular you like about Racketeer?

Originally Posted by miraja2

Is there something in particular you like about Racketeer?

Yes!! he showed a lot of talent and speed this past winter before not running a step in Illinois. I tend to throw out races on horses that are very bad when they are races run at a track they shipped to. Lots of horses don't react to shipping well. LOTS! So if I see a bad race thats out of line figure wise below what the horse had been running at a track he shipped to, I toss it. They then tried him on turf which he didnt appear to really like as much as he liked dirt but the 2nd and 1st place winners came back to win and hit the board next time out in a stakes race the day before the Belmont Stakes. I alos like horses who are off the grass. 4 works since then should have him dead fit, as most Frankel horses are, and a return to his race on the dirt against Ap Warrior and point Determined will certainly be good enough to run 2nd or win here. Ministers Bid however, is a monster. His debut race was the kind that just makes you shake your head, and his works since then have been scary.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yes!! he showed a lot of talent and speed this past winter before not running a step in Illinois. I tend to throw out races on horses that are very bad when they are races run at a track they shipped to. Lots of horses don't react to shipping well. LOTS! So if I see a bad race thats out of line figure wise below what the horse had been running at a track he shipped to, I toss it. They then tried him on turf which he didnt appear to really like as much as he liked dirt but the 2nd and 1st place winners came back to win and hit the board next time out in a stakes race the day before the Belmont Stakes. I alos like horses who are off the grass. 4 works since then should have him dead fit, as most Frankel horses are, and a return to his race on the dirt against Ap Warrior and point Determined will certainly be good enough to run 2nd or win here. Ministers Bid however, is a monster. His debut race was the kind that just makes you shake your head, and his works since then have been scary.

Well we agree about Minister's Bid.
I was at the Illinois Derby and considered betting this Frankel horse in some exotics in that one and decided against it. Boy was I glad I did. He faded badly in the stretch against less than stellar opponents. Even though that was a G2 race and this one at Belmont is an allowance race, the competition seems similiar (one really good horse and a bunch of decent plodders). Maybe you are right and he just didn't like the track, or maybe he just doesn't like 9f. I would not be SHOCKED if he got a piece here, but I definitely like the other two horses more.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I notice there is a horse in that 8th race that wants to go one turn,and wants to close into a real fast pace.He won't do anything if they don't go fast up front.That would be this "Elements " horse. Any chance they go too hot in here,and he gets in the exacta?

[Exceller]

Looks like Ministers Bid at even money. As for the exacta, any horse in there could get up for second.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yes!! he showed a lot of talent and speed this past winter before not running a step in Illinois. I tend to throw out races on horses that are very bad when they are races run at a track they shipped to. Lots of horses don't react to shipping well. LOTS! So if I see a bad race thats out of line figure wise below what the horse had been running at a track he shipped to, I toss it. They then tried him on turf which he didnt appear to really like as much as he liked dirt but the 2nd and 1st place winners came back to win and hit the board next time out in a stakes race the day before the Belmont Stakes. I alos like horses who are off the grass. 4 works since then should have him dead fit, as most Frankel horses are, and a return to his race on the dirt against Ap Warrior and point Determined will certainly be good enough to run 2nd or win here. Ministers Bid however, is a monster. His debut race was the kind that just makes you shake your head, and his works since then have been scary.

Hey Oracle, you made me think a little by this post. We often hear that horses are "off form." I think it is safe to assume that most people on this board knows what "off form" means. But can something like shipping a horse, or running the horse on a different surface cause a horse to go "off form?" And if a horse is off form, what do you need to see from that horse in order to wager om him again?