Who was better?

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Give me Songbird. 13-15 wins 9 grade 1 wins.

You mean 14-15 right ? See avatar.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

You mean 14-15 right ? See avatar.

Lol

[cakes44]

Havre de Grace

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Havre de Grace

She'd be last of the 3.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

She'd be last of the 3.

With all due respect, you do know she buried Royal Delta in the Beldame, right?

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

With all due respect, you do know she buried Royal Delta in the Beldame, right?

Ok a few things. 1st I'm talking full body of work. Because if it was based on fastest race its easily RD. I would assume you prefer RD, but also sharp enough to argue both sides. In that Beldame, HDG was 2-5, RD was a 3yr old facing olders. It all matters IMO.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Ok a few things. 1st I'm talking full body of work. Because if it was based on fastest race its easily RD. I would assume you prefer RD, but also sharp enough to argue both sides. In that Beldame, HDG was 2-5, RD was a 3yr old facing olders. It all matters IMO.

If they all ran their best races, Royal Delta would be first, Havre de Grace second, and Songbird third. However, if you went by age, Songbird was clearly the best 2YO ( I don't think Havre de Grace ran until she was 3 ), Royal Delta passed Songbird in the latter part of their 3YO seasons, but Songbird had the best overall 3YO season of any of them. As they got older, the other two passed her, but it's a tricky question.

Going overboard to show that Songbird wasn't that good is getting you in trouble. Just because some people are unrealistic about her doesn't mean she was some sort of bum. She was pretty damn good.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

She'd be last of the 3.

Anti Fox Hill Farm sentiment?