Should Songbird retire?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Yep she is awesome in today's racing vernacular. Love the shipping innuendo as to some how suggest that furthers her awesomeness. You know who is really awesome? Her connections who have never ducked a race and campaigned her in the best races across the country, this is the only thing "awesome" about SongBird.

This kinda sounds silly Freddy....her record is pretty damn good, as race horses go. Some people act like she has not done a thing.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

This kinda sounds silly Freddy....her record is pretty damn good, as race horses go. Some people act like she has not done a thing.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

This kinda sounds silly Freddy....her record is pretty damn good, as race horses go. Some people act like she has not done a thing.

Freddy likes to surf on rickety floor boards. His utter dismissal of the fact that Songbird has shipped 3 times this year sounds pathetically contrarian. When Zenyatta was going strong the refrain was that she never shipped for a showdown such as yesterday's Personal Ensign. Conveniently in Songbird's case its a non-issue.

So unless Freddy has had a change of heart regarding Big Z, he sounds completely disingenuous here.

[outofthebox]

Songbird would have wiped clean of the Ballerina yesterday, and all would be good in the world today...

[ateamstupid]

She was 2-5, loped along on the easiest of leads and still got tagged. There was nothing "awesome" about her performance. But this is who she is. She's a nice filly who always shows up, no matter the track, and runs average to below-average races for the Grade I level. She is entirely dependent on who she's facing and she lost to a clearly better horse yesterday, so now she's lost a step? Come on. She's good for the game and her connections have been great about showcasing her across the country, but the idea that she is or ever was some invincible Hall of Fame-caliber filly is just absurd.

[Seattleallstar]

No she shouldn't these horses aren't machines. Plus, I am sure if she saw the horse on her outside she would of fought back.

Saratoga and Del Mar for being the premiere meets also claims a lot of champions losing there.

I mean should Paradise Woods retire after her flop today?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

She was 2-5, loped along on the easiest of leads and still got tagged. There was nothing "awesome" about her performance. But this is who she is. She's a nice filly who always shows up, no matter the track, and runs average to below-average races for the Grade I level. She is entirely dependent on who she's facing and she lost to a clearly better horse yesterday, so now she's lost a step? Come on. She's good for the game and her connections have been great about showcasing her across the country, but the idea that she is or ever was some invincible Hall of Fame-caliber filly is just absurd.

EXACTLY. She obviously was much better at 2 and 3 or better said further along then her counterparts then at 4 and that isnt a knock its just reality. Even at her very best in both BC races she has NEVER run an all time great race. Frankly its a silly conversation anybody who is objective realizes she has never been much more then slightly above average G1 talent, effectively Ashado lite, a filly born in the right year where her competition was below typical average. I guess those calls/posts/tweets for her to face open male competition are mute now, that's a good thing. She would get destroyed by Diversify whom isnt a Graded stakes winner too date, She might lose by a pole. The great fillies that SB is allegedly on par would would swallow him for breakfast.

Forever Unbridled is OK she ran 2+ lengths further then SB as SB meandered uncontested and STILL she couldnt draw off. Why simply because she isnt that fast. FU runs by appt. only obviously has to have some soundness issues, if you watched her last 1/4 it was painful, and she still got to SB at 10f's she would have won by 6...Its Unbridled Forever for goodness sake not Personal Ensign Inside Information Azeri etc

have a heart folks...You really think she is a faster filly then Ashado who was another born in right year greatest evah

At 2:
Won Spinaway S. (G1), Demoiselle S. (G2), Schuylerville S. (G2)
2nd Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies (G1)
3rd Frizette S. (G1)
At 3:
Won Breeders' Cup Distaff (G1), Coaching Club American Oaks (G1), Kentucky Oaks (G1), Fair Grounds Oaks (G2), Cotillion H. (G2)
2nd Mother Goose S. (G1), Ashland S. (G1)
3rd Alabama S. (G1)

At 4:
Won Ogden Phipps H. (G1), Go For Wand H. (G1), Beldame S. (G1)
2nd Pimlico Distaff H. (G3)
3rd Breeders' Cup Distaff (G1)

[Alabama Stakes]

Rachel was awesome. And her connections were smart enough to avoid Zenyatta blowing by her.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Rachel was awesome. And her connections were smart enough to avoid Zenyatta blowing by her.

Gotcha.. I think you are right about the Songbird photo as well.

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Of men in the trees
You're for tough legislation
Thanks for posting
I wait all night for posts like these"

Donald Fagen

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Freddy likes to surf on rickety floor boards. His utter dismissal of the fact that Songbird has shipped 3 times this year sounds pathetically contrarian. When Zenyatta was going strong the refrain was that she never shipped for a showdown such as yesterday's Personal Ensign. Conveniently in Songbird's case its a non-issue.

So unless Freddy has had a change of heart regarding Big Z, he sounds completely disingenuous here.

Being objective that's all. I have watched as you have at least 10 fillies that would drown her even in her finest effort(distaff '16). The connections are awesome the filly was born in the right year. I save awesome for true fast greats not circumstantial compilers. She has run exactly 2 outstanding races in he super career

[freddymo]

From Bloodhorse/Haskins

I will save AWESOME for this:
Fantasy Stakes – Biggest margin in the history of the race (8 ¾ lengths).

Kentucky Oaks – Biggest margin in the history of the race (20 ¼ lengths).

Preakness – First filly to win the Preakness in 85 years and the first horse in history to win from post 13.

Mother Goose – Biggest margin in the history of the race (19 ¼ lengths), previously held by Ruffian, and ran the fastest time in the history of the race (1:46 1/5).

Haskell – To repeat, second-biggest margin in the history of the race (six lengths), and second-fastest time (1:47 1/5) in the history of the race by one fifth of a second, and two fifths of a second off the track record set by Spend a Buck 24 years earlier.

Woodward – First filly in history to win the Woodward, and ran the fastest time since the race was moved to Saratoga.

Even winning the Woodward by a head and the Preakness by one length, Rachel’s average margin of victory in 2009 was an astounding 8 ¼ lengths.